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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

In this day and age! A thread for unbelievably obvious examples of sexism.

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blackcurrants · 18/09/2012 12:31

A thread for "I can't believe that just happened to me! In this day and age!"

Yesterday we spent about 40 minutes in a Toyota dealership, looking to spend about $10k on a used car. The salesman only asked DH's name, only wrote down DH's number, and only talked to DH about the cars available. DH kept referring to me, asking my opinion, and generally looking uncomfortable. Eventually DH snatched back his license from the salesman and said "No, I don't think so. Let's go." And as I turned I added "Joe? Thank you for your help today. I work in sales and I wanted you to know that since I walked in here you haven't asked me a single question, or addressed me directly even once. At one point you walked away from me, talking to my husband about the next car you were showing us, so that I couldn't hear what you said. I just want you to know that I earn more than my husband (actually not yet true, but soon will be!), I know more about cars than my husband (v.true), and you acted like I didn't exist. Which is why we're leaving."

When I got into our car, DH was cheering. We drove 5 miles away and bought a nissan.

As we were doing the dishes last night, talking about this, DH said "I do hope you tell Mumsnet about it." Grin he knows me so well.

OP posts:
florencejon · 19/09/2012 11:23

Kim - "I don't know anything about all this stuff, I'm just a dumb blonde"

Maybe she doesn't understand anything about radios. Not everyone can be an expert at everything. There's no shame in asking for help or advice. As for the 'dumb blonde' comment; I think that reveals more about her self esteem than anything else. Really sad that she considers her perceived lack of intelligence and her hair colour to be her identity.

NoMoreNotNever · 19/09/2012 11:19

I'm a gardener; one of my customers always wants his son to start the lawnmower for me because he says women aren't strong enough. He has no problem with my heaving the massive thing around as a woman though. I have stopped telling him in advance and just surprise mow now. Hmm

florencejon · 19/09/2012 11:18

And from the assumption of the instructor, it looks as if your daughter will be in the minority for taking a martial arts class! A seven year old challenging the view of an adult martial arts club is a triumph.

kim147 · 19/09/2012 11:13

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florencejon · 19/09/2012 11:09

Lovecat - Your dad sounds fantastic. Unfortunately, for now, you are still in the minority regarding your skills.

Lovecat · 19/09/2012 11:04

Ooh, I've got another one!

I recently emailed a local martial arts club about lessons for DD - they do a free trial session. I didn't realise until I got his reply that I hadn't specified DD's sex, just said 'my seven yr old' in the email.

The reply began: 'we will be happy to welcome your son to the session...'

Okay [for benefit of the blamers], because I didn't specify I know he had to take a guess and it was a 50/50 chance of getting it wrong, but why not just put 'your child' if you don't know? How is a 7 yr old's sex relevant to taking a martial arts class?

Lovecat · 19/09/2012 11:00

Went to visit a friend with DH to see her new flat.

She said 'oh, while you're here, DH, can you take a look at my washing machine, it's leaking and I don't know what's wrong with it.'

DH: Confused Um... I know nothing about washing machines.

Friend: Oh, just have a look at it for me, please.

We went into her kitchen and looked at the washing machine that she'd inherited with the flat. The seal around the door was sagging badly with water running down it; I pointed this out to her, saying it was a v. easy job to fit a new seal and she could pick one up from a plumbers merchants/B&Q really easily.

She looks up at DH. 'And what do you think, DH?'

DH shrugs helplessly as he hasn't got a fecking clue about machinery of any kind. 'What LC said.'

Friend: Oh. If we went out now and got one, could you fit it for me?

DH: Erm... not really, LC knows what she's talking about, she could do it...

Friend: Perhaps I'll just get a man in...

DH is that mechanically illiterate he literally does not know how to open the bonnet of his car to fill the screen wash bottle. I have to do it for him. My dad was a electrician who became a motor mechanic and taught ALL his children how to change oil/spark plugs/battery/bulbs/fix the alternator if it's come loose etc. DH and I have great fun at the garage with the repairmen as they ALWAYS address the questions to him. I then have to translate...

florencejon · 19/09/2012 10:59

whogivesaduck1 - I'm curious. Who was paying for the car? If it was a joint purchase, then I think it was not only the salesman who was being disrespectful to you.

florencejon · 19/09/2012 10:54

samandi I can imagine a 32 year old male police officer being described as a 'young lad', yes.

whogivesaduck1 · 19/09/2012 10:52

we had this at a mazda dealer. I was trying dissuade DP from buying a bloody mx5 and the sales man was like 'oh come on now, you'll love it. think how pretty you will look in it, blah blah fuck' i was telling dp how impractial it was. he bought it, sales man gave me a very smug grin.

didnt look quite as smug when we bought it back less then a year later!

TWAT!

florencejon · 19/09/2012 10:52

When I opened up my bank account here, the cashier asked me if I was male or female. Due to the grammatical nature of the language here, you need to know (and boy oh boy, wouldn't that be an interesting debate.....) He told me he used to assume but had once made a mistake. I guess someone challenged a stereotype for him and he modified his thinking.

messyisthenewtidy · 19/09/2012 10:48

I think there's a difference between expecting a person (depending on their profession) to be a certain gender and then being disapproving / non accepting when it turns out otherwise.

In the cases of the car salesmen talking over the women to their hubbies, now that is extremely annoying. I see quite a few posters justifying their annoyance in terms of the fact that their car knowledge is greater than their DHs but even in the case where the woman's car savvy is minimal that would annoy me, because how can you expect to learn anything if someone is ignoring you?

UptoapointLordCopper · 19/09/2012 10:48

Have only read OP, and just want to say well done, blackcurrants!

And I like my nissan. Gets you to places. Grin

samandi · 19/09/2012 10:42

I can't quite get my head around describing a 32 year old woman as a "young girl" either. Can you in all seriousness imagine a 32 year old male police officer being described as a "young boy"?

PoppadomPreach · 19/09/2012 10:39

Conversation where I was describing my new job to an old couple (my parent's friends). he was a retired banker - real old school

Wife ; so, Poppa, I hear you have a new job?

Me: yes, I'm going to work in a bank

My dad (v recently widowed but v proud of me) ; yes, an investment bank

Husband/old fart : yes, it's quite incredible the jobs they give women these days

Wife; oh jack, don't be so old fashioned, women have been in these jobs for quite a while now

Old fart: oh yes I know that, dear, it's just that "THEY GIVE THEM RESPONSIBILITY" (said with utter incredulity)

??????????!!!!!!!!!!!

florencejon · 19/09/2012 10:39

I didn't know that you have had to have breastfed yourself to be a breastfeeding counsellor. I learn something new every day here! A male gynaecologist, a male nurse, a male midwife - would not have a problem being treated/advised by any of them. I think I feel the same way about a male breast feeding counsellor. I guess if his advice and practical help is correct, then I don't see why a male couldn't do the job. I'm aware that some woman would like to have the choice though.

samandi · 19/09/2012 10:37

Workmen referring to me as "Mrs partnerslastname". Not just from one company, but pretty much every one we've had in. Not only have they happily married me off, but I also didn't get a choice in whether I kept my name and title or not Hmm

StealthPolarBear · 19/09/2012 10:32

Actually I believe breastfeeding counsellor is another as you need to have breastfed yourself.

florencejon · 19/09/2012 10:30

Ooo, good one Stealth. What would a King have? Men in waiting or still ladies in waiting?

StealthPolarBear · 19/09/2012 10:23

lady in waiting to the Queen

Herrena · 19/09/2012 10:10

Professions not open to a man: diaphragm tester...

florencejon · 19/09/2012 10:01

Seeker - No, I wasn't offended at how the Chief Constable described the two police officers yesterday and I doubt their families were either. It is their tragedy, not ours.

florencejon · 19/09/2012 09:58

Stealth - ah, yes, but women are always the boss in that line of work!

StealthPolarBear · 19/09/2012 09:47

"I cannot however think of a single profession which I would automatically assume is not open to a woman. "
gigolo? :o

seeker · 19/09/2012 09:44

The way the Chief Constable described the two police officers murdered yesterday. SadAngry

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