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Is drag sexist?

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 11/09/2012 08:11

I have just been reading this interesting article on drag and wondered what others thought? Below is an extract.

www.wbez.org/blog/city-room-blog/onstagebackstage-drag-sexist

"What?s so funny about drag, anyway? Maybe it?s the simple incongruity: you can always knock ?em dead with chest hair pouring out of an evening gown?s cleavage. But this seems like a pretty thin joke on which to hang decades of amusement. Unless you think men are from Mars and women from Venus?that is, that differences in gender behavior are huge and immutable?the contrast doesn?t hold much interest. Certainly, the contrast between white performers and black characters was not enough in and of itself to make blackface funny. There had to be something else?and there was.

There was ridicule of African-Americans. ?Look how silly they are! But look how they laugh, and doesn?t that prove they?re happy in the confinement in which we?ve placed them?? Likewise, men who dress up as women and adopt stereotyped feminine behaviors are comical because of their stereotyped behavior, and the inference the audience is encouraged to draw is not that stereotypes are comical but that women are.

Just as in blackface African-Americans were shown singing, or dancing, or being foolish, or longing for the old plantation, in drag women are shown nagging, or domineering, or primping, or longing for male protection. Each form even has two insulting ?types.? Blackface offers Zip Coon (an urban dandy out of his depth) and Sambo (a shuffling rural fool), the first making fun of black people for being free and the second for being slaves. Drag presents the Glamor Girl and the Pantomime Dame, the first making fun of women for our sexuality and the second for our lack of it."

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 11/09/2012 12:35

Uppercut, it is not about saying who had it worse. That isnt a helpful argument.

But drag does take the piss out of women. And thus it is a reflection of our male dominated society

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Uppercut · 11/09/2012 12:33

"Women were bought and sold into marriage and had no say over their body, could and were beaten and raped and it was their fault for not being obedient enough. They were literally the property of their father or their husband. In a large part of the world, this is still the norm but whatever."

www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/slaveship.htm

Standard conditions for the average 18th century white female. Would you like to see some pictures from Auschwitz c. 1945, too? I don't deny the existence of social inequality, but feminists do themselves no favours by making these ridiculous comparisons.

And I am not 'harmed' by a person disguised, in some cases very convincingly, as the opposite sex. More often I am impressed by the skill such a transformation takes.

PretzelTime · 11/09/2012 12:32

Do you honestly think people get off on hyperventilating about 'harmful stereotypes' Upper? I can think of sexier things.

LurkingAndLearningLovesOrange · 11/09/2012 12:19

Women were bought and sold into marriage and had no say over their body, could and were beaten and raped and it was their fault for not being obedient enough. They were literally the property of their father or their husband. In a large part of the world, this is still the norm but whatever.

I tend not to compare 'who had it worse.' The point is we all deserve equality and respect from harmful stereotypes.

Uppercut · 11/09/2012 12:02

Drag queens are harmless fun, as are Drag Kings.

Unfortunately some people get off on hyperventilating about 'harmful stereotypes', not because they actually exist, because it conforms to their skewed world view. Secondly, to imply a comparison between African slaves, who were regarded as at best being partially human, to females of the same era is both asinine and grossly offensive.

What African slaves underwent is more comparable to the Holocaust.

LurkingAndLearningLovesOrange · 11/09/2012 08:52

Drag comedy is sexist. Imitating a caricature of a woman is no different than imitating a caricature of a black person, an Asian person, a disabled person etc etc.

It's promoting hateful stereotypes in all cases and it's wrong.

Bossybritches22 · 11/09/2012 08:46

It's taking the mickey out of stereotypes though isn't it not trying to promote them as an acceptable viewof women?

Not my cup of tea as entertainment but it's an age old theatrical tradition.

PretzelTime · 11/09/2012 08:43

Drag artists very seldom imitate real women, only old caricatures. I've always wondered: If it's just the glitter and glamour these men want, why the need for fake breasts too? Men can wear glittery costumes and still be men.