Anglican Archbishop of Sydney wants women to "submit" to their husbands in marriage vows

'I have utter contempt for women who accept this and utter contempt for men who demand it'

Harsh but I feel the same way. I know someone whose mother is like this - she is a very devout Christian and believes that men are by nature the decision makers of the family and women must submit to them. She was gutted, properly gutted, when her daughter got married and didnt' change her name She has been married a long time and recently found out that her husband (this man with 'perfect' judgement just by virtue of being a man )has a long-standing online hardcore porn habit and may well have been unfaithful. Nice. I feel sorry for her but frustrated by the daftness too.

I am awaiting a story of a woman punching him on the nose, saying 'my husband told me to do it!'.

This story was in the Daily Torygraph the other day. I didn't post about it because I thought it might be an Australian equivalent of an April Fools' Day piece (what with the seasons being opposite and all).

My feeling is that if a man and a woman are so insecure that they are incapable of forming a partnership without one (the man, naturally) being top dog I feel sorry for them.

Real women don't need to submit - they have more self respect - and real men don't need to be submitted to - they have enough self respect without having to be boss.

I have utter contempt for women who accept this and utter contempt for men who demand it.

You still get a lot of this attitude in certain circles of the church here. I hate the attitude that oh it's so much harder for the man because he has to exercise so much self discipline, poor thing.

Oh lordy, he sounds just like one of these blogs about how fantastic it is to be a submissive wife. It all always sounds like some kind of kinky sexual fantasy to me. But perhaps I am being unreasonable and narrow-minded to reduce everything to sex.

All this 'surrendered wife' discourse makes me want to gag.

WTAF

And the church wonders why numbers continue to fall...

I believe here you still can use the old form of words where the bride promises to obey her husband.
I have a DF who did say obey because she believed that someone should have the last word.

Why in earth it should be her DH when they are both highly educated articulate and jolly nice people I don't know.

When the vicar got to that bit in our pre wedding chat he just looked at me and smiled.

He knew I wanted to keep my wedding vows. He also knew I'm a committed athiest, I don't do anyone's bidding, not God's and certainly not DH's.

Not that that stops DH believing he's always right