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Women subsumed into their children

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Xenia · 02/09/2012 09:41

We certainly must guard against woman as only mother and nothing else

www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0bf95f3c-f234-11e1-bba3-00144feabdc0.html#axzz25Ieiea9E

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 13/09/2012 23:36

I don't!have read the global maternal guilt assumption om mn
have been asked on mn who have em if you let strangers watch em.yadda yadda
we all experience it differently

CheerfulYank · 13/09/2012 23:32

No reason you should feel guilty ScottishMummy!

scottishmummy · 13/09/2012 23:27

equally Im happy & enjoy working ft guilt free.no qualms
I had this all planned,kids,career,ft work
I've never wanted to be housewife.my man cooks his own dinners if need be

CheerfulYank · 13/09/2012 23:23

I don't mean to imply that those things I mentioned are exclusive to SAHMs at all, before I get flamed. :)

I'm just not very good at doing a lot of things at the same time, and for now I've chosen to focus on my home and kid and marriage, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

autumnlights12 · 13/09/2012 23:14

'I love that my house is calm and welcoming and I am proud of the child I am working hard to raise into a good person, and yes, I like cooking for my husband.'
Me too Cheerfulyank.

JugglingWithPossibilities · 13/09/2012 17:46

Some great posts and lines on here recently Thanks

Having my DD and DS and bringing them up is the most important work I've done or likely to do. I've done lots of other interesting things, but nothing as awesome or important as this. I love it all ( well, OK, not all Grin )

IShallCallYouSquishy · 13/09/2012 16:03

My DD is the single most wonderful thing that has ever happened to me. She is my FB profile picture. Before that it was a picture of my husband and I on our wedding day, as up until DD's birth, that was the most important event in my life.
I am proud of the beautiful (to me) little person my husband and I am more then happy to have her represent me and doesn't stop me being a sensible, educated woman with a career in a male dominant sector.

amillionyears · 13/09/2012 16:03

Im not ashamed either.There are probably millions like us.

CheerfulYank · 13/09/2012 15:54

I'm tired of feeling like I should be ashamed that I like what I do as a SAHM. (I do manage a cinema part time as well, actually, but am home all day.) I love that my house is calm and welcoming and I am proud of the child I am working hard to raise into a good person, and yes, I like cooking for my husband. I want to have more children, possibly a lot more, and I want to stay home and care for them.

I'm not ashamed.

greenhill · 13/09/2012 13:13

That is lovely peahen. And much more succinct and better written than the original article too, which looked like it had been thrown together for a fast approaching deadline.

autumnlights12 · 13/09/2012 12:11

thank you Peahen for a brilliant post and one I wholeheartedly agree with.

PeahenTailFeathers · 13/09/2012 07:45

Ha ha, FrothyOM

I read the OP article with a Hmm face. I don't have a Facebook account, but I really don't think there is a valid argument against a woman being able to put a pretty picture of her choice on a fairly trivial social networking site. I have photographs of my baby and my cat on on my Mumsnet profile but none of myself; what's wrong with that? I think the author of the article is suffering from too much overthinking and too little ability to form a valid argument.

I am utterly subsumed in being the mother of my 16 week old daughter: Wordsworth's lines, "Light to the sun and music to the wind," spring to mind. Inasmuch as I subscribe to the theory that we are defined by our genes (not very much, to be honest), I believe we must be the end product of thousands of good mothers who have blessed us with their instincts and ability to devote themseves to raising healthy, successful children. I am grateful for that inheritance. Babies are completely dependant on us; of course mothers focus on their children's wellbeing for the few, precious years that they need. I have a degree; I speak 4 languages; I have a library of more than 10,000 books (including at least 300 volumes of feminist dissertation). Why should this be more important in defining me as a woman than motherhood?

Giving birth is the hardest and most wonderful thing I have ever done. I now have strength and capability that I never dreamed possible. It has even inspired me to start writing again after 13 years; the first thing I wrote, 4 days after my baby was born, was a very frank, completely tmi and rather good (even if I say so myself Blush Grin) account of my labour in the Childbirth section on here. If I hadn't become a mother, my talent for writing would never have been used again.

Like Xenia, I went back to work after 2 weeks (okay, slight boast, partly because I could get back into my pre-pregnancy clothes) and I've managed to combine this with successful breastfeeding. I enjoy my job very much; it is challenging, fast-paced and stimulating. Yet my job could never compare with the bone-deep satisfaction and pleasure I feel when I am caring for and nurturing my baby. How sad that the art/skill of being a mother is so belittled, especially by women who are mothers themselves.

*I wrote a much longer and, hopefully, more elegant post but lost it Angry. This is the gist anyay.

Thumbwitch · 13/09/2012 05:36
Grin
FrothyOM · 13/09/2012 05:16

Xenia has a profile pic of an island, mine could be beans on toast...

FrothyOM · 13/09/2012 05:05
Grin
Thumbwitch · 13/09/2012 04:57

Frothy, I guess that would depend on whether you, personally, identify yourself with a shitty arse... Wink

FrothyOM · 13/09/2012 04:42

I always have pictures of my kids as my profile pic because I'm proud of them.

I am a care assistant when working, maybe my profile should be a picture of a shitty arse.

CheerfulYank · 11/09/2012 17:09

I'm with you, Brass .

I love pottering around at home. I have a friend who runs a radio station top to bottom, works all hours, has two little girls, and loves it. She's brilliant. Neither of us are making choices for everyone, just the right ones for us. We're both completely happy.

brass · 11/09/2012 16:29

it is daft. I am thoroughly proud of my children and the sacrifices my DH and I had to make in order for me to be a primary carer for as long as I was. For a while I was subsumed in their needs and other aspects of life did take a back seat. What's wrong with that? It's more damaging an article from the point of view that women can't get it right.

If you work you're damaging your offspring by being absent
If you SAHM you have no value, not contributing, not a good role model
If you choose a photo of your DC you have no identity
If you choose a photo of yourself?.......wtf?

I personally feel like I don't need to jump through anyone's hoops and will make the choices in life that are right for me.

Emphaticmaybe · 11/09/2012 16:09

Brass - I just meant that I have an abundance of great photos of the kids, less so ones of me, as you are right - I'm the one taking them. It's more effort to find one I like of me - the kids always look great so I might use theirs if I had a FB account because it's easy. I thought others might do this too.

So I'm a bit lazy and a bit vain rather than being subsumed in them which is what the original article was implying - but I agree it's all a bit daft.

CheerfulYank · 11/09/2012 16:00

I always wanted to be a SAHM and wife as well. And now I am.

I've done other things, but I'm happy at this.

I don't think I'm particularly subsumed into my kid, either.

brass · 11/09/2012 15:39

I'm usually the one behind the camera...

YES.

brass · 11/09/2012 15:37

if you don't want a picture of yourself up (for anonymity say) is a picture of your child worse than a picture of a flower or generic silhouette etc? People choose an image they like and more often than not it's going to be a sentimental image of their DC.

Thumbwitch · 11/09/2012 15:31

My DS is a darn sight more photogenic than I am! Whenever I get a good photo of me, I'm happy for it to go on FB - but since that's about 5% of the time, if I'm lucky, then it's a rarity. And also, I'm usually the one behind the camera...

Empusa · 11/09/2012 15:28

"Most parents have a million great photos of their kids to every one decent photo of themselves - it's probably more likely vanity or laziness"

I think that is actually as simple as most parents find looking at photos of their kids far more interesting than photos of themselves.