Woman forces man to have sex with her at knife point, stabs him when he refuses - article does not mentionthe word "rape".

Nobody's forcing you to fess up, ask those questions, read those responses, One. There's gotta be something in it for you, however much denial you like to wallow in...

I like reading and posting; it's not always a joy if I f*$k up and get a bollocking.

It happens more on Relationships, because I'm open I had an affair before first marriage ended.

On Feminism, I'm interested and occasionally ask the odd interesting question (well, to me anyway)

Not sure I get general gist of your last post, Chap.

LastMangoInParis Thu 30-Aug-12 16:57:47
I agree wholeheartedly re. importance (and generally, joy) of reading and interacting with posters with a range of opinions

I reserve judgement.
Oddly, I think, I seem to get into more trouble in Relationships than I do on FWR.

Possibly because while I'm a "cheater", I do actually read a bit about feminism and am interested in the topics here.

I agree wholeheartedly re. importance (and generally, joy) of reading and interacting with posters with a range of opinions, Lurk (and was joking with 'permission granted', btw).

TBH I'm usually more bothered when (my) questions go answered than I am by snide comments, views I disagree with, etc.

My understanding is that of course women can be charged with sexual offences under SOA 2003, and can of course also be charged as accessories, aiding and abetting, etc.

That's essentially the law here too, must be a form of penetration.

It just makes me think women who are abused over webcam etc are not deemed 'serious offences' when they often involves minors or children (minor minors) It seems wrong to me that that isn't taken more seriously. Do I think t should be called rape? of course not. But it still involves the issue of consent/vulnerability and there are so many sites where men flash young girls regularly.

Just for a non male example of consent.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats In the UK where I surmise may of the posters come from the current definition of rape requires a penis; a woman can be charged with helping in a rape;

A woman can commit sexual assault; she can commit assault by penetration.

They have the same sort of sentences and are [should be] treated as seriously.

Consent is the most important thing.

I've read very few books on feminism, but browse a lot of blogs.
I've had a couple of posts deleted for snippy comments, and been bollocked by some folk, I thought undesercedly. AnyFucker told me to grow a thicker skin, listen a bit, and leave issues in the threads they occurred, which seemed sensible advice.

There are some posters who I mentally killfile and don't respond to.

LastMango, I don't think anyone can actually say 'do not reply to me, ever' on this forum. That's up to the mods, surely? There is no ignore button here, which I like. It's good to hear opinions that do not match your own. (Trolls excluded, obviously.) I've read 33 books on feminism from all different 'types' of feminists since posting here. I'd hate to be able to ignore those who disagree with me. On a few occasions (not necessarily this board either) I've been pulled up and learned a lot I wouldn't have if I ignored every poster I deemed annoying. There's only one poster I won't ever reply to, but that's my prerogative.

First of all, Eats I'd thought you'd left! SOOO thrilled you are here! You've guided me so much, I was so sad when I thought you'd left.

I understand what you're saying, but surely a man can be raped by a woman, even though it's extremely rare? I dunno, the laws just make me uncomfortable.

Good question on the medication Eats. Just as it would with a man, before anyone comments. I think it's important information in regards to her sentence. But it's the Daily Fail, they do tend to leave out the less 'dramatic' points, don't they?

Any elaboration on how law-changing could effect rape/sexual abuse/harassment/etc women? I genuinely want to know. Cannot form an informed opinion/position without all the opinions and info I can get!

TiggyD SGM did announce out of the blue on the prisoners thread that she'd wait for my permission in future before responding to anything (or something like that).
At the time I thought it was a boorish little dig, but perhaps she was serious...
(In which case, permission granted this once, SGM.)

Lurking - legally there is a legal definition of rape. Legally other forced sexual activity is sexual assault. Of course being sexually forced to do anything, whatever it is legally called is awful.

In terms of this story, I think there is a lot more here that we simply dont know yet. So for example, medication - what medication? Is she mentally ill and given she was admitted to a psychiatric hospital, was she psychotic?

This really is one I prefer to withhold judgement on until we know more.

OneMoreChap

"The only way that could even be approaching true is if you use the stupid Home Office definition of DV."

Not the only way

StewieGriffinsMom still hasn't apologised for telling malicious lies about me. Does rather make you think weather all her posts are lies or not.

seeker Wed 29-Aug-12 22:32:45
Well, on any thread about domestic violence, somebody alwqys says that domestic violence is nearly 50:50.

The only way that could even be approaching true is if you use the stupid Home Office definition of DV.

May I ask a question? Is tentative and scared, please be gentle! :)

I thought rape was about consent, not penetration? Isn't that why oral and hand stuff can be classed as a form of rape?

I guess my question is; I know by law he wasn't raped but I thought it was all about consent? So Was he or was he not raped?

I very rarely go into the relationship section. I don't think I've posted there for a couple of years.
You accuse me of doing something I've never done. Please link to 'my post' or apologise.

Well, on any thread about domestic violence, somebody alwqys says that domestic violence is nearly 50:50. it doesn't seem to be much of a logical leap to think that the purpose of the "women are rapists too" narrative is to come to that point about rape- that men are equally victimised.

If this thread really was about sexual violence perpetrated on men, it would be focussing on the main perpetrators- other men. But lets not kid ourselves that's what it's about.

"I do think this is a feminist issue because it's about the myth that women are as likely to be violent as men when" Who said that!? Who? Where? Don't argue against a point of view that you've just invented.

'I do think this is a feminist issue because it's about the myth that women are as likely to be violent as men when we know that is statistically not true. The vast majority of male victims of sexualised violence are victimised by other men yet every time this subject comes up the discussion has to revolve around the small minority of women who commit the crime or the even smaller minority of women who fabricate stories of sexualised violence due to sever mental health problems.'

Can we have stats for that? Links? Particularly that last bit, as I'd like to know how you know that 'the minority of women who fabricate stories etc'...do so because of severe mental health problems. That's quite a statement, if I may say so.

Well tbf, on another thread (the one involving prison searches) it was asserted that if it involves women it's a feminist issue, end of!
I'm not saying I agree or that this is a feminist issue, but there is at least one feminist argument on these boards that would suggest that as this story and topic involves women, it is a feminist issue.
Once again, not saying I agree, just that perhaps its not quite do clear cut as asserting that it's not the appropriate section for this thread.

"The only feminists here being " goaded" are those who struggle* with the idea that sex crimes are sex crimes irrespective of which sex is being the criminal"

Nah, we're not that stupid, sorry.
Anyway, it is goading to come onto a feminist discussion forum, talking about an issue that isn't a feminist issue, that is actually only about proving that men are victims too. Sometimes. In a minority of cases. Very important of course, but not appropriate here.

*the logic

It does feel a bit like a what about the menz post."

I agree it is cringe and whenever the that phrase or MRA gets mentioned on these boards I feel like any semblance of debate or discussion is lost as people begin to debate a motivation or agenda, which they have ascribed themselves, rather than the issue. Theogic behind it is also quite hypocritical at times.