Woman forces man to have sex with her at knife point, stabs him when he refuses - article does not mentionthe word "rape".

The article didn't even mention the word rape. I have a feeling the tone would be different if the genders were reversed, and I'm not sure a man who raped and used a knife would be shown leniency because he was on medication.

@MisogynistToolMagnet"BTW, women can't rape men. HTH. "

If forcing someone who is non-consenting to have sex with you at knifepoint isn't rape then I don't know what is.

@Zhaghzhagh"But how is it possible for PIV sex if a man is not interested/hasn't got a hard on? "

A man can get an erection during non-consenting sex just like a woman can have an orgasm during non-consenting sex. It doesn't mean the man/woman is enjoying it or gave consent.

If you are an accessory to a crime then you will be charged with that crime. The classic example is Derek Bentley, who was hung for murder although Chris Craig pulled the trigger.

Hence if a woman encourages a man to rape somebody then she will be charged with rape (although her sentence will probably be less severe than the actual perpetrator).

I'm unsure of English law, so I wouldn't know.

Anyway that was just an example to a question Eats answered for me. :)

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats
"there are so many sites where men flash young girls regularly."

Isn't that two different laws tho?
and when minors are concerned a third?

Devora and unhombre you are both right (sort of).
A woman could be charged and convicted as an secondary party.
Secondary parties are also participants, so they're not necessarily treated lightly, sentencing can be as heavy as for any other parties to crime.

If a women was a secondary party to a rape then that's how she'd be charged, not for sexual assault unless that was a separate offence.

Thanks Eats. That does make a LOT of sense for me.

Wouldn't it be great if we were able to have a 'one size fits all' rape law? :( Guess I'm livng in a dream world. Wait...There'd be NO rape in a dream world!!!

Ok

Well, I am prepared to pit the law of the land on this issue i.e. Sexual Offences Act 2003 Part 1, against the reporting skills of a DM court reporter, and suggest the woman wasn't convicted of rape.

And now with name changes, I dont know who most of you are any more!

My understanding is that women can be charged with rape, but obviously as an accessory to a man with a penis (though the charge is still 'rape' rather than 'assisting rape'). But yes, if we're forgetting the terminology then obviously it's different.

Sorry left off the raped by women. Men are raped by other men. But it is rare for men to be raped by women.

Excuse the DM link:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-31150/18-year-old-woman-convicted-rape.html

Devora - no, not in the UK. It must involve a penis. She will have been prosecuted for a sexual assault, or a 'conspiracy' , or 'aiding and abetting'. Forget the terminology.

Women can be convicted of rape, I'm pretty sure. There was that horrible case some years ago - the woman who was raped by the Kings Cross Canal by a group of teenagers, including a girl who held her down and egged the boys on. She did time for rape.

Well, seeker, Eats (who is normally good at this sort of thing ime) doesn't understand the basic law of the land here, and went on to comment on the incidence of male rape, nonetheless. And sort of contributed to a 'rape myth' albeit inadvertently. So 'femsplaining'? Almost a dictionary definition!.

I think unhombre was talking about the comments he refers to in his posts of 22:27-22:40, seeker.

Well, if clearly understanding and outlining the law of the land is femsplaining, then yes it probably is.

Doh!

'femsplaining'

I don't think so, unhombre. I think it's just misunderstanding of basic law. IME that's not a 'gendered' shortcoming.

without wishing to be too controversial, is this another example of 'femsplaining'?

Have also just noticed the 'incredibly rare' comment, Eats - really? Where on earth does that come from?

Eats men can be raped, and regularly are, albeit by other men. Where did you get that notion from?

Legally, a man can be raped. But not by a woman.

Legally, in the UK, a man cannot be raped.

Oh, yes he can. See Sexual Offences Act s1. This definition of rape is still intentional penetration of vagina, mouth or anus with a penis.

Male rape has, apparently, been recognised in English law since 1994, though.

And a woman can be charged with rape as a secondary party under SOA 2003.

Lurking - Thanks! I had left, but popped back today - but I didnt think anyone would have noticed, so thanks for the welcome.

Legally in the UK a man can not be raped. But even though incredibly rare, I think most people would accept a man can be raped and would call it rape.

Yes other coerced and forced sexual activity can be just as traumatic and damaging as rape. And yes this is not always treated seriously enough.

But it is because rape is based on the idea that "real" sex involves a woman being penetrated by a penis - although in the UK, after much lobbying from feminists and women's organisations, the law was changed to include penetration by an object. Thus rape is "real" forced sex. Because other sexual acts are seen as foreplay and so not real sex, they get called sexual assault.

So the whole idea of what is called rape and thus deemed most serious, is a patriarchial construction.