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US Republican ignorant of female biology. Again.

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TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 19/08/2012 22:17

www.salon.com/2012/08/19/todd_akin_legitimate_rape_stops_pregnancy/

Opening quote: ?First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare,? Missouri Senate hopeful Todd Akin said in an interview Sunday, explaining why his ideal abortion ban wouldn?t include an exception for rape. ?If it?s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,? he added.

Aargh! If he believes the rights of the fertilised egg trump the rights of the woman regardless of circumstances of conception, OK, that is his position. I completely disagree but at least it might be a consistent stance. But saying, yeah, well, it hardly ever happens anyway and if it does happen it's the woman's fault cos her body didn't stop it is just mind-bogglingly stupid.

I wish there was some kind of basic competence exam for would-be politicians.

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TapirBackRider · 22/08/2012 17:17

It just gets more and more unbelievable tbh - how they manage to get to these positions of responsibility and still think this way!

Here's another jaw dropper.

thinkprogress.org/health/issue/

GeekCool · 22/08/2012 16:35

What's with the 'forcible' rape shit again? Gah it's so depressing. Can someone please explain to me what non-forcible rape is?

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 22/08/2012 15:56

Thanks, Tapir.

here's some more republican horse-crap:

www.salon.com/2012/08/22/eight_staggering_gop_comments_on_rape_and_women

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TapirBackRider · 21/08/2012 17:42

He's only repeating what the party leaders actually want - an end to all abortions in the US. From all I have read about it, there is an exemption for rape victims, but only if they can prove they were raped Hmm

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/gop-platform-abortion_n_1815021.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Utter scum.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 15:47

I'm sure lots of good people got born after drunken one night stands too.

Does that stop the Republicans shaming such events? Um, let me think...

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HazleNutt · 21/08/2012 15:46

Some good news!
www.theonion.com/articles/pregnant-woman-relieved-to-learn-her-rape-was-ille,29258/?ref=auto

Kveta · 21/08/2012 15:45
Shock is that real?!
HazleNutt · 21/08/2012 15:42

Shock alex.
well that's ok then. Who cares about the incubator anyway..

alexpolismum · 21/08/2012 15:27

this just keeps getting better and better

MooncupGoddess · 21/08/2012 14:28

If that's true, StormGlass, it's particularly weird given that many women don't have vaginal orgasms at all.

I have read a couple of pieces of research (neither of which I can remember the authors of), one saying that women were slightly more likely to get pregnant after rape than after normal intercourse and the other slightly less. So I had assumed he had read the latter research and massively over-extrapolated. I don't think he's going to explain the source of his beliefs, so we shall never know!

solidgoldbrass · 21/08/2012 14:25

The USA is basically going back to the Dark Ages as fast as possible. This particular horrible fuckwitted man is one of many. Don't forget his little mates want women who miscarry to be charged with murder and given the death penalty if found guilty, and the word 'victim' to be removed from legal use in cases of rape and DV only - the word 'accuser' must be used instead.

StormGlass · 21/08/2012 11:56

IIRC, in the middle ages (when people really didn't know anything much about internal female biology), medieval medicine taught that women could only get pregnant if they had an orgasm. Maybe because a man needs an orgasm to produce sperm, so they thought it must be similar for a woman. So, in the middle ages, if a rape victim became pregnant, a lot of people would assume that it wasn't possible for her to have been raped.

So maybe Todd Akin has come across this medieval belief, which has now been proved to be wrong, and is willfully ignoring all the knowledge that has been gained since then about how reproduction actually works.

How someone so ignorant about basic biology has managed to get onto a committee on science (which has jurisdiction over non-defense federal scientific research and development in the USA) is mind boggling.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 11:47

Ah, sorry SQ, my turn to be confused, you meant Akin not GG Blush.

I am worried that Akin "spoke to a doctor" on this subject (unless that was Dr Teddy Bear, who lives at the end of his bed). If a real doctor, that's another terrifyingly wrong person in a position of some power! Also as tribpot says, Akin is on the Science committee of the House. Presumably he plays Angry Birds during committee meetings.

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SardineQueen · 21/08/2012 11:39

But they do have a lot of control over their bodies
Hence being able to understand they were pregnant and, like, put a stop to it
Or summat

Can there be any other explanation?

Can a grown man in a Western civilisation, with free universal education, and who holds a position of some power, REALLY BELIEVE that women can put a stop to unwanted pregnancies just by sort of shutting it down somehow inside? I mean WTAF?!!!

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 21/08/2012 11:13

Sardine, Vulcans don't believe in violence Shock

Yes, GGG is a terrifying bastard rape-denier, though.

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SardineQueen · 21/08/2012 11:07

I know EXACTLY what has happened here
He has been watching too much sci-fi
And has mistaken women for vulcans, or summat

What a terrifying bastard that man is

tribpot · 20/08/2012 21:15

I think what's particularly galling (pun intended) is that if these were female politicians coming out with similar utter shite on another subject, t'internet would be full of 'irrational females, emotional kneejerk reaction' etc etc. Yet these two, whilst being widely condemned for their ludicrous 'opinions' are not also being pilloried for being unable to string a coherent argument together. The utter randomness of their thought processes makes them unfit for public office, even if what they were spouting today was not massively offensive.

Kaloobear · 20/08/2012 20:23

Both these men make me want to shriek. That they're both politicians as well as utter, utter fuckwits is the most depressing thing I think. Ugh. Just, ugh.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 20/08/2012 20:04

George being discussed on In The News thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/1544794-George-Galloway-insertion-not-rape?pg=4&order=

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tribpot · 20/08/2012 18:30

George seems a bit confused. He seems to be saying he doesn't believe the women who have accused Assange, but in fact does believe that Assange had sex with Woman A when she was asleep. So does believe her, just doesn't believe it was rape. Only then he goes on to say he doesn't believe her. In which case why make up a piss-poor 'legitimate rape' myth about how, if it had had happened - which it didn't but if it had - it wouldn't have been rape anyway.

If he doesn't believe the allegations - fine, he can say so although I can't see any reason why he needs to say so publicly. If he believes having sex with someone who is asleep isn't rape, he can say so - but he would be wrong.

Fortunately by being unable to articulate either of these two opinions coherently he has succeeded in making himself look like a giant turd.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 20/08/2012 18:27

What an utter prick GG is! Tapping on the shoulder and saying "do you mind if I do it again?" mutuality, participation and enthusiastic consent have really passed him by, haven't they?

Twatbadger.

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Kveta · 20/08/2012 17:12

bloody hell, you couldn't make this up, could you? how do these massive bell ends get elected?

(I am still utterly confused by the Assange case - I cannot for a second comprehend why Ecuador thought their actions were right.)

GeekCool · 20/08/2012 16:36

Clearly, all us women are just Witches...and it's witchy magic that men don't understand. Grin

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