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funding for part time phd - discrimination?

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AnnabellaFagina · 17/08/2012 17:35

Does anymore know if there has been any work done on this. I want to start a phd when my dd starts school, and had hoped to do it part time. However a lot of the studentships(funding) are not applicable for part time phds. Surely this indirect sex discrimination?

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summerflower · 17/08/2012 21:31

Depends where you are - just looked at an institution known to me, let's put it that way, and the social sciences funding is indeed full-time only, the reason given being the intensity of the research projects. Hmm, I'm not going to comment further on that one here.

Just looked at the Research Councils out of interest and the ESRC offers part-time funding but over 5 years (not six as you might expect), but it is at least there. Is this a route open to you at your chosen institution? The ESRC also do collaborative doctoral scholarships, which would allow you to get some experience of a non-HEI if you are not wanting to go into academia, not sure if they are available part-time.

I agree that funding is discriminatory if you have a young family and want to do it part-time, add to that the structural inequalities of seminars and conferences being in the evenings or weekends and perhaps requiring travel and the expectation that you contribute to the research culture, and yes, let's just say postgraduate study does favour the mobile and commitment free, or at least those with domestic support.

Do you know any of the academics well where you want to study and do they rate you? What possibility is there of getting a PhD linked to a project grant, where there might be more flexiblity about how that is done, depending on the length of the grant of course?

As to the suggestion of doing it full-time, I would really only do this if you are prepared to and can commit the time. It depends on your institution, but universities are concerned about progress and completion because of things like the Research Excellence Framework. You will be expected to do a full-time study schedule, especially if you have a studentship, and complete within the required time.

AnnieLobeseder · 17/08/2012 21:26

X-posts: Anna - if you think the project would work better as a longer study, go to the people in charge and make your case. You don't get what you don't ask for. Because if the longer time frame may actually be an advantage rather than a disadvantage, it's a win-win situation and you need to sell it to them that way.

AnnieLobeseder · 17/08/2012 21:24

I have two DDs aged 4 and 7, I started my full-time Research Council funded PhD 2 years ago when they were 2 and 5. I get around £17k grant, and do science, like the person mentioned above but I don't think it was me.

I don't think it's discrimination not to fund part-time projects. Funded PhDs, certainly in my field, form part of ongoing research projects, and waiting 8 years to see results instead of 4 is taking the mick a bit. So they tend not to fund over such a long time frame.

Plenty of parents work and study full-time, it's infinitely manageable. Of course it would be nice if we could all work or study part time and still get paid, but sadly that's not always how the world works. It's a bit like having your cake and eating it. You have to either sacrifice family time or you sacrifice the funding.

Yes, not being able to get part-time funding would disproportionally affect women, but that's hardly the fault of the funding body - it's the fault of a society that sees raising children as women's work. There would be no grounds for complaining about discrimination if men took on a greater responsibility for childcare.

AnnabellaFagina · 17/08/2012 21:22

I could do a full time phd but it would be better as a longer study.

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AnnabellaFagina · 17/08/2012 21:13

I want to do a social sciences phd and I've been looking at studentships funded by the uniiversity

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/08/2012 19:01

I agree, I think it is, and I think it's a huge issue.

Funding is a total bugger, so you definitely have my sympathy.

I think although it ends up discriminating against more women than men, it'd be hard to argue it was deliberate on the part of the funding body (as opposed to the bigger system).

Are you doing it part time to fit in with a job, or to fit in with younger children? I just wonder if it'd be possible at all to do it full time?

There was a poster on here a while ago who was doing a funded full time PhD in the sciences and I believe her grant was something like 17k, so that would be quite respectable? Or even a standard AHRC full time grant is just under 13k, but you do get the money off council tax, and there might be other things?

Sorry, I do realize you may well know all of this and just want to have a justified rant about the system, just, you know, in case you didn't ...

Scatterplot · 17/08/2012 17:43

It might be, yes, but it depends on the area of work. What topics and funding bodies have you looked at?

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