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Police: Really horrible attitudes towards DV

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chipped · 01/08/2012 20:01

Want to share this as its haunting me.

A friend works with a man who was recently arrested as he hit his wife during an argument. When he finished work the police were waiting for him and arrested him (as she had called them). All as it should be. He is now on bail. He allegedly regrets what happened but has told my friend that he was horrified at the attitudes of police during his arrest and throughout the proceedings. Gems include "bloody women, ay?"; "women have far too many rights these days" and even the officer checking him in (or whatever you call it) sharing an impressive anecdote about hitting his own wife who dared to report him but he "got away with it". He said they showed him overwhelming support (which he didn't even want). This is someone they have just arrested for a violent crime!

The solicitor strongly advised him to plead guilty as the case would just be dropped due to lack of evidence/witnesses. He refused to and solicitor was irritated and mystified by this.

I have never met this man abd have no personal interest in him and the case but am so haunted by this. What hope is there? On a positive note he fully plans to complain once it is all over but as someone who will have a conviction (unnecessarily according to the solicitor) I don't suppose it'll carry much weight.

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StrawberryMojito · 02/08/2012 06:56

I'm very sceptical about the reliability of comments you have heard from a friend who has not even heard them her/himself.

However, say this did happen as described. I know many many police officers and have never ever heard any of them make similar comments. DV and diversity training is regular and ongoing in the police and those issues are taken very seriously.

If it happened as described, then your friend or this man should report the individuals as they are a disgrace. They are in no way an accurate representation of 'police attitudes' as a whole.

chipped · 02/08/2012 06:41

Pressed 'post' too soon.

I am not questioning the truth of it. I don't have details but these were quotes said as he was being arrested, not during interviews; he never denied it. It was general chat.

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chipped · 02/08/2012 06:39

Oh I meant the solicitor told him to plead not guilty, sorry.

I have no doubt it is true. I don't want to get into a debate about the offender but he has nothing to gain by this. He isn't making a song and dance about it, just told my friend as she was interested in the police attitudes. It is not really on his list of priorities right now and I don't think it's benefitting him in any way; he isn't using it to deflect from him,

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LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 02/08/2012 00:44

I won't bother explaining how his legal story makes no sense, just wanted to add on I'm so sick of criminals blatantly lying about things cops said to them during interrogation, or how they mocked them when they were being detained. I'm even more sick of people somehow believing a criminal is telling the truth than a police officer.

And yes, I know there are asshole cops out there, just like every profession. 99% of the time though, it's bull! It's like when people assume women MUST be lying about rape, even though that is so rare.

CaseyShraeger · 02/08/2012 00:39

"The solicitor strongly advised him to plead guilty as the case would just be dropped due to lack of evidence/witnesses. He refused to and solicitor was irritated and mystified by this. "

This makes no sense. If he pleads guilty then the lack of evidence/witnesses wouldn't matter, BECAUSE HE'D PLED GUILTY.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 02/08/2012 00:32

A very small minority of police have been known in the past to use their positions to hide DV. IF this were true, it would have to be an older cop, which would likely mean he held a higher position of power. Why on earth would a sarge say those things in front of a detainee?

No cop would be stupid enough to say this in front of a detainee. The comment about the policeman bragging about getting away with it makes me believe this is bullshit because he'd be investigated for abuse of power at the very least and lose his job.

I'm doing a policing course and a very big chunk of it is about changing attitudes towards victims of sex crimes or domestic abuse, as well as attitudes towards policewomen. You wouldn't find many young cops with this attitude because we're psychologically screened many times before we're actually allowed to join the force. They even check your Facebook for anything that could be deemed sexist/homophobic/racist etc.

I do not deny that there are sexist cops. Just like I do not deny there are sexist politicians/cleaners/teachers/Receptionists/Unemployed etc etc. I just don't believe this to be true. He has a lot of reasons to lie.

If it is true I'm truly horrified and hope serious action is taken against them.

I should note this is my experience in Australia, I don't know how cops are trained in the UK.

pictish · 02/08/2012 00:24

I'm not going on the notion that a member of the police would never behave this way (I can believe that) - but more at how useful his little story is for him.

pictish · 02/08/2012 00:23

What a fibber.
This story has two purposes...
It minimises his violence.
It makes him seem more noble if he appears horrified by their tales. Even though he's just done the same himself. Hmm

None of it took place, I'm sure.

icepole · 02/08/2012 00:19

I used to volunteer for an organisation that helped women who were trying to get justice for violence and going on how often the police treated women who came to us appallingly I can totally believe this.

notcitrus · 02/08/2012 00:12

Not disputing that some police have despicable attitudes, but I've read I think on MN threads that saying such things is an interviewing technique, as if guilty many violent people will agree and incriminate themselves, making conviction much easier.

Krumbum · 01/08/2012 23:27

Why would he lie? It's weird how posters are all so quick to just blindly claim it's a lie. The DISGUSTING things the police said to my friend after she was raped shows it can and does happen. Some of the police are nasty pieces of work that do get away with it. Pretending they are all pillars of the community is stupid and detrimental.
I find this horrible as well op and hope the complaint goes sonewhere but sadly I doubt it will.

TribbleTuckandDismount · 01/08/2012 22:46

I used to work in the police, no one worth their salt would say things like that to a detainee. It would grossly unprofessional and quite frankly stupid.

The police take DV very seriously, every DV case a beat bobby has will inevitably be combed over by numerous eyes including senior officers and DC's.

Honestly, please take what he is saying with a pinch of salt.

TunaPastaBake · 01/08/2012 22:40

A bit Hmm about this and would take what he said with a pinch of salt - but let's see if he does complain eh ? I very much doubt it seems that he is making excuses for what he did.

Kladdkaka · 01/08/2012 22:33

I don't believe the police said any of that. I think he's just saying it to lessen the impact of what he's done. Or maybe so his wife doesn't trust them so is less likely to report him when he does it again.

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