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So much in society would improve if we removed the emphasis on PIV.

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AnnieLobeseder · 30/07/2012 21:54

Now don't get me wrong, I like PIV sex and don't believe it's quite as dreadful as some others do. But I have been thinking about the opinions expressed on these boards about how damaging it can be, and I see the point.

I'm a long-term married women with a monogamous partner who as has a vasectomy. So the risks of STDs and pregnancy are much lower (hopefully zero!) than for a young single woman who may choose to take casual lovers. So while I may enjoy PIV with little risk, for that young single woman, the risks are much higher than for her partners.

Then there are teenagers. Teenage pregnancy can leave a young women with much lower future prospects than if she had children later in life, and quite often the father doesn't stay in the picture. The cause of this, quite obviously, is PIV. If young people, and even older people who still face risks of STDs and pregnancy, were taught that ALL sex is sex, not just penetration, then everyone could have a satisfying sex life without these risks.

If there were no such thing as virginity, young people could slowly progress from kissing to oral and other sex acts without the need for the one big moment where penetration occurs.

I'm not a man, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I have to wonder if a man's orgasm outside of a vagina is really such a runner-up prize to orgasm within a vagina. If there's not much difference, WTF is PIV such a big deal? Is it a societal thing? But it's so widespread across the world that it seems unlikely.

Is it because PIV allows a man to orgasm even if the woman is uncooperative? Whereas with other methods, eg hand or mouth, she needs to be willing?

Surely if we removed the emphasis from PIV being such a big deal, things would be so much better, from there being fewer unwanted pregnancies, to fewer women suffering health issues from STDs or pregnancies (and men would have fewer STDs too), to couples probably having a deeper and more fulfilling sex life as they found new and creative ways to pleasure each other.

Yes, I know that I'm preaching to the converted for the most part here, and pardon me while I just get my thoughts down in print.

The bottom line of what I was thinking is, surely it would be beneficial to target a campaign at teens, instead of suggesting abstinence or pushing condoms (or perhaps alongside), with the message that All Sex is Sex, and All Orgasms are Good Orgasms. Spark the idea in their mind that perhaps PIV isn't the be-all and end-all, and that it's not an ultimate goal that needs to be hit.

Am I making any sense?

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Emphaticmaybe · 30/07/2012 22:27

Agree vegans - a lot of happy teenage boys and a lot of teenage girls with very chapped lips.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/07/2012 22:27

I agree, annie.

I don't think PIV is the ideal sex for some women - I wonder how many. It takes a fair bit of practice to get good, I reckon. I'm sure lots of us have fond memories of the first time, but when you get down to brass tacks, it ends when the bloke has an orgasm, and that doesn't automatically mean the woman does.

Whereas, if reciprocal oral, or manual sex were seen as more 'proper real sex', that might work better in terms of women getting orgasms.

It's true, it'd be worse to have a situation (as I think you sometimes do) of women giving blow jobs and getting nowt back.

VegansTasteBetter · 30/07/2012 22:23

Maybe but being honest, and basing this on everyone I know (that I discuss this sort of thing with) I bet it would come down to girls giving out blow jobs and not necessarily being reciprocated.. or girls that young not feeling like they can ask for it themselves.

At least PIV is (when consensual) nice for both parties.

AnnieLobeseder · 30/07/2012 22:14

vegans - I think most kids (myself included) do move up through the ranks to culminate in 'real sex'. But if the message was spread that other sex acts are just as much real sex as PIV, surely the pressure to have PIV would be reduced?

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VegansTasteBetter · 30/07/2012 22:03

In the states where sex is often the holy grail after marriage... the kids do progress to oral first (and anal Confused). And unsafely because you can't get pregnant from it. That's my concern.

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