Schools denying girls the cervical cancer jab on religious grounds

Oh are we on the "I'm allowed to demand things and you're not" now?

because you have nothing else to say

it seems you are not even slightly interested in an scandal affecting a health intervention for millions and millions of women

there are plenty of women on here discussing this scandal despite that - which is a jolly good thing

hopefully a lot more will now be aware that there is a lot more to the HPV vaccine than meets the eye (and it's not good) enough if you're not one of them

because you do not care

OK

So you have said it

For anyone reading or lurking - accuracy has said that the FOLLOWING is not of interest:

"I am trying to discuss, on the feminist section of MN, whether girls in religious schools in the UK should be "opted out" en masse from anything that goes against the "ethos". However it seems that conversation is not going to happen and the FACT that girls are being denied all sorts of things at religious schools is not of interest to most on here".

Well that sums it up really doesn't it.

What are you doing on the feminists section, may I ask, if the treatment of girls in some religious schools in the UK is of no interest.

oh are we on teh repeat and repeat thing now?
because there's nothing else to say.

It seems none of you are even slightly interested in the issues of what is going on in some religious schools in the UK
You know you have driven all of the people off who wanted to talk about this? Yes? How does that make you feel, that we cannot now talk about this issue. Triumphant, I imagine.

Well done.

Plainly it's not of interest or we'd be talking about it, by the way.

I'd like a response .

I'd like a response to the above, Sardine, in your own time.

I have had conversations with anti-vaxxers on MN before and I know how pointless and boring and annoying it is to engage.

So I am not engaging with that side.

I am trying to discuss, on the feminist section of MN, whether girls in religious schools in the UK should be "opted out" en masse from anything that goes against the "ethos". However it seems that conversation is not going to happen and the FACT that girls are being denied all sorts of things at religious schools is not of interest to most on here - who have driven all the other posters of the thread (well done on that by the way).

I'd like a response to the above, Sardine, in your own time.

Be nice if she read the thread

OK well that is a totally different view to me.
I believe that all schools in the UK should follow the national protocols and that having religious views must not interfere with that.
Thinking mainly to do with relationships, contraception, abortion, plus issues to do with ensuring that girls get the same level of education as boys, and are able to access the same range of subjects.

I fear our perspectives are so far apart - one with a view about how UK society should look as a whole and one with a much more individualistic stance - that there is no middle ground.

For example "its not in keeping with the school ethos" or "the school does not want parents/students to feel pressurised by peers or the school setting". Very valid reasons which were also mentioned in the completely unbiased Grauniad article but which you don't seem to be getting your knickers in a twist about.
Get your mind out of the gutter, woman.

You've had a response

There's plenty I'd like a response to but you're not even bothering to read.

Maybe I'll try.

I'd like a response to "the scandal of misinforming girls and women about safety trials, vaccine risks and vaccine efficacy far outweighs the problem of girls having to have vaccines at the GP instead of at school".

Also Edith's "it's not the responsibility of the schools" (to paraphrase)

Also "the safety trials were misleading - why do you think this is ok for a mass school roll out"

Also "one of the women intimately involved in its development believes pap smears are a safe alternative that doesn't risk lives"

I'd like a response to those, just for starters, but you'd have to read the questions first.

Yes of course I do, or any other reason they like.

So you support the right of schools to opt out of national programs on the basis of their religious views about sex?

Right you are.

The real issue is that groups of Gardasil/Cervarix survivors are filing lawsuits against Merck in the USA and Australia because these vaccines are dangerous.
TBH I wouldn't want schools pushing possibly lethal vaccines onto young girls but that's just me....

I would like a response to this:

"To get this straight
The school have opted out of this program on the basis that their girls will be vigins until the marry, and will then marry someone from inside the community who they hope is a virgin too
the school have not informed anyone so as to allow those students and parents who want the vaccine, the opportunity to have it
As far as they are aware this vaccine will protect against HPV, and they really don't want their girls having it because they are sure that they will remain sexually pure until it is deemed by their religion that they may have intercourse - and more or less with who

Many posters on this thread think this is fine and reasonable.
What country are we in? It wouldn't be out of place in saudi."

How can you say that it is reasonable for schools to do this? I genuinely don't understand. God only knows what else is going on in these schools.

edith schools within the same denomination will behave in different ways. they always have done. It is not a blanket of any branch - each school will make its own decision. It is not even a given that all of the schools affected are doing it based on objections due to their christian faith, other religions may be involved.

Or if SQ even read this thread - but no, it's full of anti-vaxers with their kooky ideas, blah blah blah, so I'll just ignore it and make you all write the whole thread out again just for meeee

I know there a indeed many Christian denominations. It does however, appear from the numbers that it is not Catholic schools uniformly affected (see various comments on Catholic stance higher up the thread). Also it is unlikely to be any state VA or VC school, because of the numbers. Here aren't that many other denomination Christian schools. There are larger numbers of other religions so they obviously need to be looked to when seeking reasons.

The responsibility to reach those communities lies however totally with the PCT for immunisations.

Maybe you aren't desperate, maybe you just don't understand. I promise you Sardine, if you read up on this, you'll understand where the real feminist issue lies.

"millions MORE women and girls (ie the entire population of the UK and most countries in the world) than are being affected by this piddling religious nonsense. (ie a number of schools)"

which bit of that is not true
which bit of that mentions FGM
which bit of that mentions wife-beating

you get the picture

you're desperate

SQ: the PCT will know the school has opted out. It is information requests to PCTs that are the basis of the article (behind a pay wall).

It is then for the PCT to act to cover those individuals. If the PCT is not doing to, then it the one responsible for failing to have the jab offered.

Incidentally, commentary on the article on the GP website (nearest I could get to actual text, rather than Guardian account of it) shows that not all the opted out schools have done so on religious grounds.

"And just to put the lid on it - millions MORE women and girls than are being affected by this piddling religious nonsense."

How many times do I need to cnp that FFS.

Edith not all christian schools in the UK are of the same branch of christianity, or have the same values or level of orthodoxy. i am surprised that you do not know that.

"accuracy you were the one who called the impact of religion on women and girls "minor" "

No, I think that's some fantasy person you're having an argument with because you don't have any decent responses to me.