Schools denying girls the cervical cancer jab on religious grounds

crescentmoon
"in 1950 most women probably followed the sociocultural norms at that time of marriage first, then sex."

There is a difference between what people pretended was acceptable, and what really happened.

In granny's day there were lots of "orphanages," lots of fresh new babies available for adoption, and lots of shotgun marriages. Not to mention the backstreet abortionists, a trade which, thank god, has almost entirely disappeared in Britain.

Boys can also be vaccinated

Gathering, there isn't a reason. They've started vaccinating boys in the US recently.

Would someone with medical knowledge explain why young chaps aren;t being given the vaccine?

I know I could google, but ... I'll have to wade and hunt through information - and I know there will be some clever mn-er able to explain this clearly.

Genuine question. I'm interested.

It's all fine and dandy being a virgin in your wedding day, but where is the guarentee that your partner will be? And why should you be punished for his bad behaviour? I have no prob with people being anti cervical vac as its new, but do it for tge right reasons

that's right, the program could be offered through the GP, while schools could get on with teaching maths and stuff.

The relevance is that parental consent was not given, in fact was actively refused but the girl was still badgered into having the vaccine (in school).

I'm not talking about the pros/cons of vaccination. Like you say it's been done to death (your words).

Schools should have nothing to do with vaccination IMO.

Food for thought

The Guardian article does not specify which religion. Nor does it say they are state schools. No does it say that whichever "religion" (or religions) it is actually is the predominant reason.

I've now been to look for the source article: most is behind a paywall. But it's clear it's been sensationalised "thousands at risk" when it is 24 affected schools in responding PCTs (about half of them) and there are over 3,100 state secondaries in UK. Add on independents (300 or so, figures vary) but it it means that you're looking at about 1% of school pupils.

Remember the responsibility here does not actually lie with the school: "Somebody needs to ensure that those girls who are eligible for the HPV vaccination and are not being offered it at school, are offered it. And that responsibility lies with the PCT."

99% coverage BTW is excellent, and outstrips the level reached for eg MMR. Pressure needs to be put on PCTs to live up to their responsibilities here and make sure they reach that final 1%.

Not being sexually active does not mean that you will never develop cervical cancer, but it does reduce your chances dramatically.

But then being black also appears to give you protection.

The 1950s study was reviewed in 1991, the 1991 findings were that the cancer rates for cervical cancer were the same as the general population.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1911588

Wow Crescent Moon thanks for the info.
Looks like I was giving my sister the wrong info - despite that, I still believe my nieces should have it.

I rejoiced the day the vaccine was announced. In fact I think I actually cried.
Such an incredible breakthrough.

But it seems that because it is linked in a way, to sex, particularly girls and sex, many religious people get all flustered and defensive...

"Conversely they must therefore believe that a girl who does die from cervical cancer has brought it upon herself in some way and deserves it."

thats great spin but just is not true.

I think this is a great argument for why there should not be religious schools.

I can't remember the detail of the vaccine now, but did look into it in much detail at the time, dd was in the year that just missed the vaccines and i paid 350 for her to have the injections privately

we are catholic btw, but the men who run the church are fuckers o the highest

crescent i read somewhere MANY years ago (cant remember where now) that nuns were also at more risk of ovarian cancer because of not being sexually active.

not really, just the last inoculation my dd had made her puke violently and her throat was burnt with bile and she couldnt eat for about 2 weeks...and she was skinny to start with.
bad science if you like.
ps I was never a sheepy Goth myself.xx

mamakubica.

You're just a sheep who follows bad science. Like when I was a Goth in order to be different but followed the Goth rules... like a sheep!

Bloody hell. What a bunch of ignorant and stupid idiots.

If people want to opt out individually, fine. There should be a robust mechanism to allow that.

But for a whole school to deny their students the opportunity? It is absolutely ridiculous.

I am religious. Along with most of my family.
DSister and I can no longer discuss this as she refuses to allow her DDs have it. It turned into a huge huge disagreement.

I reasoned, argued and eventually, belittled, (I couldn't help it!) yet it made not an ounce of difference.
She thinks her girls are "good" and are therefore not at risk, despite me pointing out that even freaking nuns are at risk of HPV/cervical cancer.

Some people are just twats ignorant.