Is there another word for oppression ?

Garlic, I agree with using the appropriate word for the situation or context.

Actually, it's very like grooming. Only, then, wouldn't you get into disagreements about whether grooming was the consequence of grooming?

Sexism. What's wrong with it.

I do try to use the appropriate word: sexism; patronisation; gendercide; violence against women; belittling; dismissing; discounting; assault; harassment; objectification; pornification (if that even is a word); abuse; bullying ... Grandiose or quasi-technical terms make me feel alienated, so I really understand why others get pissed off by them.

Wrt patriarchy, I don't know. It's only a concept so, whatever you call it, it's easy to discount. My immensely long, explanatory post on the "stupid" thread was roundly ignored, even by those who would trash my take on it.

There is always "grooming"....

I so believe that you can be trapped by the word 'can't' as much as trapped by any outside force.

In order to build self confidence on a personal level, people are taught to do positive affirmations; and yet as soon as you start talking about the word 'oppression' you do quite the reverse for women as a group.

There has to be shifts in attitude from within as much as changes in attitude from without.

I'd live to do a really positively minded thread in this section to that end. I'm still trying to think of a good way to do that...

So true sometimes :)

Eclectic - shaping is what we think we do when we bring up children, coping is what we really do

Oppression implies unnecessary and wrong. Shaping can be a positive process.

Don't want to cause a problem but "shaping" to me is what we do with children when we being them up so can be either good or bad for them. In terms of feminist are we not saying that "shaping" is bad or is that dependent on the paricular discussion?

shape is good.

Yy what and also in the sense that we are shaping a lot of this ourselves, IYSWIM. I don't oppress myself, but I do shape my own choices, opportunities, actions, etc.

yes it was my own greenhouse analogy that's shit - I did say I really liked the birdcage one.

I like the sense of "shaped" - I think there is a lot of shaping - diverting, seductive whispering, financial bribery - going on, rather than hard visible barriers.

I use constrained and shaped a lot. I don't think I am oppressed - not when I put it in the context of women who can't get an education, birth control, abortions etc etc. that's maybe me kidding myself a little bit, but I do think I am constrained, not oppressed. Now, you could argue, in my personal context, that's just as bad. And I would agree. But I do have fundamentally more choice than many women in the world today.

I don't think she was....it was about her own greenhouse analogy (?)

I would read the whole book before dismissing the birdcage analogy as 'shit'.

I'd go with constrain.

I know everyone is constrained in some way, but still you can think about ways in which women's choices are particularly constrained.

i wouldn't dream of eating the damn thing, the state its in at the moment Yellow. Looks like a clogged storm drain.

That'd probably be the overwatering

Agree totally the term kyriarchy, if it were to become well-known, would get the same level of shit that patriarchy currently gets

Yup, its called the euphemism treadmill.

But I don't think "Patriarchy" or Oppression are accurate terms any more, which is why they don't resonate.

The "patriarchy" is shafting non-alpha males as much if not harder than women in many respects, and I think most women sense this. It is more of an Oligarchy IMO

"Oppression" also doesn't - IMO - describe the situation in the OECD now - it is much more subtle, more invisible. You are not "barred" any more, but it is a world of invisible glass ceilings and softly closed doors. I don't know what the best word is, but IMO a lot of it is now within the mind, enchained by celebrity culture and a dumbing down of mass media rather than outside bars.

Ooh don't overwater the basil, it takes away the flavour.

Apparently.

Agree totally the term kyriarchy, if it were to become well-known, would get the same level of shit that patriarchy currently gets.

If people aren't willing to admit that male oppression exists, why would they want to admit that it exists alongside homophobia, racism etc.

...but am oppressed by societies' expectation that analogies not be shit

I'd say pretty soon Kyriarchy as a term would start getting loaded and - what a surprise - you're a professionally offended nutcase for even bringing it up.

love the birdcage analogy.

was going to share my brand new greenhouse analogy which I invented only moments ago while watering the limp basil pot on windowsill herb garden

I teach kids from other countries at the moment.

I noticed that the 15 year old Russian girl I was teaching didn't shave her legs. I wonder what the norm is there.

Of course not. The last time I went on a beach holiday abroad (bloody yonks ago) I did notice that all the women had hairless legs. It's not like beards which would carry on growing. Leg hair is like arm hair: it stops. No need to remove it, yet all women had removed it. Choice my arse.