Is feminism all about man hating?

I hope you aren't trying to pass that off us something dittany or myself said

lol. Not really your style is Beachcomber.

And if you are going to quote deleted threads, at least say which poster you are quoting. I hope you aren't trying to pass that off us something dittany or myself said.

MrGin - did you just quote a deleted thread there? From a copy that you made?

What's your point mrgin? And why have you kept an entire thread? How positively creepy

MrGin Is there a point you're trying to make in quoting from a thread that was incredibly heated and has been deleted ?

The poster you initially quoted has stated on numerous occasions that she didn't hate men so picking up on a quote which has been deleted is a bit unfair.

No-one's disagreeing that some women as individuals hate men. Quite why you've chosen to pick one poster who is no longer here as proof is beyond me.

The conversation is about feminism, not a particular woman, or poster.

Dr John - just a quick point - there are plenty of examples where both direct and indirect racism is also tolerated, so I don't think it's safe to suggest that racism is always taken more seriously than sexism (or any other form of oppression is automatically better or worse than another.)

And, of course there are people who are both women and Black, and their experience of oppression and discrimination may have features of that faced by Black men and non Black women, but is likely to be distinct because they hold both identities - they are Black women.

Soz Takver - it was TeiTua! (need glasses)

I think one of the problems is men constantly whining that "not all of us are the same!" No, I'm sure you're not, but it's a lot easier just to say "men shouldn't do X" instead of "So and so and him over there shouldn't do X, but the rest of them can because they're fine".
If you're so worried about being generalised, how about trying to change the men who are like that rather than emphasising how you're not?

South Africa were banned from the Olympics for not allowing black athletes to compete. What do you think has happened to Saudi Arabia who won't allow women to compete?

If South Africa had had half the Western world's oil reserves I am sure there would have been more flexibility.....

Actually the pressure is very much on to ban Saudi, hence their recent announcement that they will allow women to compete, but oh dear, they don't seem to have any female athletes who could qualify (well one, but she is an equestrian and her horse is injured. Which they knew).

Agree with the posters who have said that misogyny is a massive problem in the world. I don't see much evidence of man-hating from feminists or non-feminists (although I do actually hate non-feminists so if they happen to be men then yes I hate them). Although even that's not true - I don't hate non-feminists, I just think "Really?, You really think that? OK, interesting" and walk away.

I do think if we ever got to really examine the extent of misogyny in the world, we would scare ourselves. When people say things like "Gandhi was misogynist" they could just have a point. But in our world that simply does not see misogyny or recognise it as a wrong, it sounds shocking and therefore it must be that the author is a man-hater. There is more on Gandhi's views on women here www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/27/mohandas-gandhi-women-india

Misogyny is not treated the way hatred of a particular race would be. It is invisible and even where it is visible it is tolerated. Small example - South Africa were banned from the Olympics for not allowing black athletes to compete. What do you think has happened to Saudi Arabia who won't allow women to compete?

Sorry, I was trying to say the problem is those men that hate women (ie the men that abuse their partners, men that are happy to pay women shit wages, etc etc) - not that all men hate women. I don't believe that at all!

And when I say feminists expect more of men, I mean that I think on the whole feminists consider men to be equally capable of humanity, emotional competence and ability to run a washing machine. I would say that at the moment society is at fault in that it leads many men to be lacking in these areas.

(Kritiq, I'm afraid I've never heard of Stoltenberg, I think that was a different poster.)

Only one snog per thread.

Spoilsport. :)

Only one snog per thread.

BTW on reflection I think it was patronising too.

Yay! PARD breaks out on FWR!

Well I'm sorry if it came over as patronising and as somebody who often posts in haste about issues I feel strongly about I am grateful for your gracious reply.

Impatience yes, aggression no. I'm sorry if you feel got at. I posted in haste. In fairness to me, it was a rather patronising post.

"Shouty Dog" would be a nice screen name though! :)

Oh, FFS, I know what dogmatic means.

I did say I thought you were joking and put a smiley at the end of my post so I think the aggression is unwarranted. And yes I would have said the same to a man if he had shown a similar amount of aggression to a jokey post.

And there was me thinking that dogmatix was just the dog out of Asterix.

Oh, FFS, I know what dogmatic means.

I think 'ShoutyDogmatist' might have to be my new MN name, actually...

Hmm I'm sure you were joking but I should point out that the definition of dogmatic is Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. Not a quality I think that any of us would aspire to. :-).