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Pokes head in wonders if she's going to get flambeed ... I'm floundering with this one it's thrown me a bit

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hathorisaskingaquestion · 05/07/2012 20:09

Not a fred about a fred.

Well it is, sort of.

There's a thread at the minute about how some woman dumped a guy because he had a small dick.

I try to impress on DDs (and DSs) that they are what they are and that they shouldn't conform to society's ideals of how they should look, the size of boobs/bums/willys doesn't matter.

How do others deal with this? Is it a feminist issue if it's all about the menz Wink

But it feels like a double standard on the thread to me what feminist links can I quote to show how ridiculous it is? Whether male or female or intersex or anything to be judged on the size of any appendage?

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hathorisaskingaquestion · 06/07/2012 11:16

I don't know Blush

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Whatmeworry · 06/07/2012 11:14

So using that analogy it would be OK for a man to post on here that he dumped his GF because her vagina was too slack?

No man would say that cos his mates would tell him is willy was too small :o

I don't quite know what your point is though.

Do you believe that people who find they are sexually incompatible must stay together? Or are you arguing that women and men can't say what they think about sex in case someone is upset, so should use euphemisms?

BasilBabyEater · 06/07/2012 11:11

I think we need to conclude that women are horrible because they dump men for having small willies and we're all equal now.

SardineQueen · 06/07/2012 11:05

Well no.

But I'm sure that you can find plenty of websites which are 99% male, where comments like that are made, and far far worse.

Not that two wrongs makes a right... But still.

hathorisaskingaquestion · 06/07/2012 11:01

Possibly Whatme.

So using that analogy it would be OK for a man to post on here that he dumped his GF because her vagina was too slack?

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Whatmeworry · 06/07/2012 10:59

It's the focussing on a physical attribute, Whatme. I just would feel so upset if it was DD and the size/slackness of her vagina

You're overthinking this, there are a million reasons why 2 people may not get it together, all valid. If a woman is not being satisfied then there is as little reason why she has to hang around as if she found his personality irritating or he had BO. Did the OP have the choice - yes. Did she exercise it - yes.

He needs a woman who isn't fussed about small willies, she needs a man who can fill her neeeds. They are both free to find one afaics.

Therefore l really don't see what its got to do with Feminism.

hathorisaskingaquestion · 06/07/2012 10:56

Agree SQ

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SardineQueen · 06/07/2012 10:48

It's possible that the owner of the penis in the OP had been feeling for a while that sex wasn't great because he didn't get much sensation and was wondering how to call it off.

Hopefully they will both meet people whose parts are a better fit.

I don't think that most men would have too many qualms about dumping a woman who didn't do it for him in the bedroom.

hathorisaskingaquestion · 06/07/2012 10:28

It's the focussing on a physical attribute, Whatme.

I just would feel so upset if it was DD and the size/slackness of her vagina.

And I think it's similar.

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Whatmeworry · 06/07/2012 10:27

Its just Maslows law, innit - you can't self-actualise your soul if you're not getting a satisfactory banging. Afaics a small cock is like any other thing that makes a potential mate unattractive etc etc - if you don't like it, you don't have to lump it.

Don't see what its got to do with feminism, unless the argument is that women must make more of an effort for men that can't satisfy them than vice (ha) versa?

WicketyPitch · 06/07/2012 10:23

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messyisthenewtidy · 06/07/2012 10:15

But surely the moral of the story is that the OP of the original Fred is really regretting it now cos she went out with Mr. Big and had nothing in common with him. So she's a wolly cos she could've had a meaningful relationship and we all know that coulda woulda shoulda are the last words of a fool. Smile

I'm sure am honest chat and a bit of alternative scenario seeking would have sorted things out.

Alameda · 06/07/2012 09:56

what on earth is a soulmate? something from twilight?

I have only ever met one man with an astonishingly small willy, it was no good to me but am quite keen on a bit of PIV and bumsex and it would need to touch the sides. That is not much to ask, every other schlong manages.

Surely nobody is under any obligation to stay with someone if they are not happy about something that can't be changed?

SardineQueen · 06/07/2012 09:50

The pressure on men re their penises comes mainly from each other and from porn, surely?

SardineQueen · 06/07/2012 09:49

Presumably she didn't tell him she was chucking him because his penis was too small for her?

And I think labioplasty is about looks, while the penis thing is about feel.

Loads of men won't date women who don't have the body shape that they desire. And vice versa TBH.

hathorisaskingaquestion · 06/07/2012 09:36

Sardine - Yes, I agree with you wrt the ugly comment.

But if you thought they were ugly you'd never get to the sex stage in the first place, would you?

And you'd not say to someone "you're ugly I'm not going out with you" or at least, not if you had an ounce of tact or compassion?

I just think of my sons and wonder what the difference is between that and women wanting labiaplasty or that operation I can't remember the name of to tighten their vaginas.

So sad and very shallow.

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SardineQueen · 06/07/2012 09:33

eclectic

What about as you have kids and get older, your pelvic muscles can weaken... Isn't that comparable?

The comparison there would be a man developing erectile dysfunction or something like that when he ages or if he gets ill or whatever.

I think (my personal opinion) that if a couple are together and one of them experiences sexual dysfunction of some type, or a loss of interest, or stuff like that, then they should work together. Many women go off sex completely for quite a while after a baby, many men experience erection difficulties when they are much older. To say oh well then you're dumped would be terrible.

OTOH (and I haven't read the thread in question) sex is a big part of a relationship and it needs to be right at the beginning. When you start seeing someone it is a whole load of compatibilities you are after - and they all need to fit really. If a couple has incompatible personalities no-one says they should persevere, or if one doesn't fancy the other, so I don't see that someone should have to stay with a partner who does not do it for them in the bedroom dept (for whatever reason and after giving it a good try).

Surely it's much more objectifying for a person to refuse to go out with someone because they find them ugly? Yet no-one would say someone should go out with someone they find ugly.

Whatmeworry · 06/07/2012 00:26

TinyWillyGuy should probably go for a fem judging by the number of threads on FWR exploring the merits of non PIV sex!

:o

Thing is, to most people sex is very important, if that doesn't work most other things won't, no point in hanging around, life is too short.

IMO its not objectifying anyone, its just a fact of nature that willy sizes vary and soem ewomen don't get off on little ones. So, not so much a Feminist thing, as just rude and disrespectful to actually say you are crap in bed/cock's too small/tits too small etc etc - tell a white lie, move on.

hathorisaskingaquestion · 06/07/2012 00:01

I think 24 has hit the nub of why it has unsettled me.

It's objectifying a man in the way that I don't like when it's done to women.

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garlicbutt · 05/07/2012 23:55

(erm, hoping it's obvious I wouldn't cite the exact reason, and would prefer my dumper to lie, too!)

garlicbutt · 05/07/2012 23:50

I'm almost embarrassed to say I agree with Wickety. I didn't read t'other thread - if he is, indeed, her soulmate it's a very hard call to make. We're talking about a sexual relationship here and, if the 'sexual' part of it doesn't work, should you settle for an inadequately sexual relationship?

I'm one of those women who "only enjoy (or say they only enjoy) sex with medium to large penis'd men". I DO realise this must mean I'm a bit of a wizard's sleeve in the vadge department. Nothing I can do about that - my pelvic floor's as toned as hell but I can't tense the damn thing all the way through copulation.

I would equally consider it sad but wise if a male partner dumped me for the same reason.

24HourPARDyPerson · 05/07/2012 23:50

Isn't that pure objectification though? Feminists don't like that.

BasilBabyEater · 05/07/2012 23:31

Oh double standards is a big feminist issue.

WicketyPitch · 05/07/2012 23:28

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messyisthenewtidy · 05/07/2012 22:38

Hath I don't see too much evidence of double standards from MNers (apart from OP) because the majority of posters said YABVU to the OP, that she was a nutter for giving up on her soulmate.

Your posts were really good and people agreed with you. As for it being a feminist issue TinyWillyGuy should probably go for a fem judging by the number of threads on FWR exploring the merits of non PIV sex!