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squeaver · 22/06/2012 11:33

The EU has spent actual money on a campaign designed to interest girls in science.

this is the result.

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kickassangel · 27/06/2012 02:40
exexpat · 26/06/2012 23:25

podcast link

(chairmanmeow - for links, read the instructions underneath the message box - either tick the box to convert links automatically, or use double square brackets)

thechairmanmeow · 26/06/2012 21:23

how do you make a link?

thechairmanmeow · 26/06/2012 21:23

just came across this podcast today, i havent listend to it myself but anyway, here it is

www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/whys

GrimmaTheNome · 26/06/2012 14:00

If you want a shining example of a woman in science, todays New Elizabethan on R4 was Dorothy Hodgkin. And for her legacy, The Dorothy Hodgkin Fellowships. This is surely the sort of thing we need more of?

Thumbwitch · 25/06/2012 23:22

I don't mind that WISET thing so much but they could at least have a choice of locket shapes! Not everyone is into hearts etc.

ohmeohmy · 25/06/2012 16:42
enimmead · 25/06/2012 15:43

This are the stories - much better than the other one.

www.wiset.org.uk/index.php?page=herstory

GrimmaTheNome · 25/06/2012 15:42

From a 2-minute look, that WiSET site looks much better pitched.

LurkingAndLearningForNow · 25/06/2012 15:40

Okay tried to re-open this thread, saw heart shaped necklaces, then saw red.

Adios.

enimmead · 25/06/2012 15:40

A better flyer.

www.wiset.org.uk/uploads/documents/Girls%20Days%20flyer.pdf

enimmead · 25/06/2012 15:39

But even they fall for a stereotype

"The afternoon session begins with a fun introduction to DNA using models and examples, which is followed by the hands-on extraction of their own DNA under the supervision of role-models from the world of science. Each pupil?s DNA is then placed into heart-shaped necklaces for them to take home and impress friends and family."

enimmead · 25/06/2012 15:37

Science is a fascinating subject about how the world works. It's not a girl thing, it's not a boy thing. It's a subject like no other. I remember the excitement I used to have when I was developing my gel and seeing if I had found some meningitis bacteria DNA. You're finding things out, investigating, researching and really using your intelligence.

Some people really like that kind of stuff and it suits some people down to the ground. It should be a career open to all but - as with other careers - it gets harder (not impossible) to maintain a research career and a family. But a scientific career does not always have to be research - it can be using science in the real world.

There's so much we don't know about the world.

This is interesting.

www.wiset.org.uk/

GrimmaTheNome · 25/06/2012 15:20

Even the tag line 'Science - it's a girl thing' is starting to irritate me now. Its not a 'girl thing'. Its a thing for people who are fascinated by how the world works regardless of their gender. . Its a silly pink patronising title.

pickledsiblings · 24/06/2012 22:33

I knew you meant me but hadn't realised there actually was a piglet - just thought it was a cute typo.

Don't they run these things by a sample of their target audience before the big release then?

kickassangel · 24/06/2012 22:07

Piglet, sorry, I meant pickled. Got confused there.

Longtalljosie · 24/06/2012 22:02

It crossed the pond!

pigletpower · 24/06/2012 19:39

Kickass-was that last post to me? I posted that I couldn't actually view the video-has it been taken down?

kickassangel · 24/06/2012 15:16

piglet - when a shot goes from someone's eyes, to something else, then we are looking at what they are looking at. in the Grease example, he looks at her, and sees the whole of her - she looks round confused to her friends, then does the grinding a cigarette under her shoe. As it's the denouement at the end of a movie, we have a whole load of references to work this into.

In the science short, we just see him gazing at her shoes, which she is kindly parading in a similar style to a fashion model. No interaction with her face/persona at all.

It doesn't really matter how any individual interprets it - the people who made this film KNOW this. It is deliberate and planned. They are knowingly putting this onto film, to be released, and re-inforcing stereotypes.

If this had been a short film for race equality, showing a white person looking at a black person as they worked in the fields, picking cotton, then the black person went and sat in a house that was a stereotype of a field-hands house, and it had a catch phrase of 'housing, it's a black thing', no-one would see that as encouragement for african americans to buy housing & move into property ownership.

Even typing that paragraph makes me uncomfortable as it's so very obviously wrong to represent a group of people like that. But when it comes to teenage girls, that's OK, cos they're all pink & fluffy so we can treat them as sub human. Add a laugh sound-track and we all know it's fun, so let's not get our knickers in a twist, eh?

OhDearNigel · 24/06/2012 12:42

Starball, was 6pm heels a typo or a description I've not heard before ? I like it !

OhDearNigel · 24/06/2012 12:40
OhDearNigel · 24/06/2012 12:40

omfg just watched the video with my jaw on the floor. I literally have no words

pickledsiblings · 24/06/2012 09:50

StarBall, they're not supposed to be scientists yet - they're just girls. The one girl who obviously was supposed to be a scientist (the one writing with a board marker) doesn't appear to be overly made up, no bare arms and you can't see if she's wearing heel/mini skirt, hair fashioned in a very demure side plait and a look of 'I'm it' (or is it just a puzzled/engrossed look/semi- pout?) on her face.

Himalaya · 24/06/2012 09:42

'tis fab isn't it? Grin

porridgelover · 24/06/2012 09:38

Himalaya...I loved that link. I will be showing it to DC.

BTW we watched the Horizon programme on the Tranist of Venus last night (had recorded it at the time) and the vast majority of the presenters and scientists were women. I wouldnt have noticed except for this discussion. Guess which I would be encouraging my DD with? I wanted to be a volcanologist.

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