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Rights of people with disabilities and carers.

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CaramelTree · 21/06/2012 12:58

I've started this thread because I am concerned about the treatment of people with disabilities, both on MN and in general society. With the cuts, the new regulations around benefits and workfare and the quite disturbing representation of people with disabilities in the media, I believe that society is becoming increasing hostile towards them.

I feel this is a feminist issue because

  1. Carers are disproportionately female.
  2. Prejudiced attitudes to disability feed into ideas about how people contribute which I think are contrary to feminist views about the kind of world we want to live.
  3. The arguments on MN on recent threads include the belief that people with disabilities and their carers are discriminating against mothers by wanting priority access to wheelchair spaces. Discriminating against mothers is a feminist issue, but I have never seen a regular poster from the FWR support this argument and I consider the analogy in itself to be disabilist.
  4. A shorthand set of terms is being used to create a stereotype around MNers who are carers or have a disability. While we are strident, crazy and angry, they are considered to be bitter, selfish and needy. I feel we need to challenge the language and the goading of posters with disabilities.

There have been threads before on here where posters have asked if the situation around carers is a feminist issue, and while it was acknowledged that it was, I think 'we' (people who are on the boards a lot - not suggesting there is a hive mind) lacked ideas on how to support them. I know people on here campaign about the cuts, but I think it would be positive if 'we' could support people on MN who have experiences with disability, because it seems to me that those posters are leaving/considering leaving, and MN will be intolerable without them.

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Beachcomber · 21/06/2012 16:19

I agree very much with the OP.

I haven't read the bus thread but I can well imagine what AbigailAdams describes. Also that Independent article is awful.

Just posting in support.

TheLightPassenger · 21/06/2012 15:45

good thread OP. Completely agree.

AbigailAdams · 21/06/2012 15:43

Agree OP.

I think mothers and carers of small children have actually been advantaged, to some extent by the advances that disabled activists have made e.g. more nappy changing areas as they are often in disabled toilets (although I don't necessarily think that is a great solution), ramps to shops and other public areas, lifts in public areas, greater space for prams on buses etc.

I wasn't involved with the bus thread but read part of it since. There is correlation between the non-recognition of privilege with some able-bodied people and the non-recognition of privilege from some men. There was also a sense of entitlement too.

Goading is the right word. I don't understand people's vehemence in going on those threads to tell a minority/oppressed group how they should act/feel and to invalidate their actual feelings. And the language is stereotyping and dismissive. When it comes to language used and allowed on MN, feminists and disabled people are fighting similar battles.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 21/06/2012 14:26

Totally agree Tree. TBH I don't venture out of FWR that often so tend not to see this stuff anymore here. Maybe we could have some kind of pm system to support posters and challenge anti disability stuff? Would be happy to do this if you think it helps?

Leithlurker · 21/06/2012 14:25

Good thread Tree, I look forward to seeing where this goes.

ComradeJing · 21/06/2012 14:16

Great OP, Tree. I agree with everything you've written.

CaramelTree · 21/06/2012 13:09

I should perhaps make it clear that I am not suggesting feminists and people with disabilities are two mutually exclusive groups, either on MN or in life in general.

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