what draws you to this part of MN, particularly if you are a man? and if you dont support feminism?

are you kidding me, Eats ?

AF - Its is those who are clearest with a radfem analysis or even just a decent feminist analysis, who I see getting routinely attacked on this board.

I don't know why, but until tonight I honestly thought you were really right wing?? I must have got you mixed up with someone else!

Juggling - there are a very small group of radfems who think no radfem should be in a relationship with a man. You should either be with a woman or not in a relationship at all. But that is very much a minority view.

Most radfems believe in analysing and acknowledging the reality of patriarchy, but don't believe in criticising individual women for the choices they make. That includes living or being married to a man, wearing make up, etc. So yes there are plenty of radfems who live with men. Not a barrier to being a radfem at all as long as you understand how Het relationships are a crucial way of oppressing women on a day to day basis.

yes to what you say Aye and AF.

I think the day I got sick of this place was when it I was attacked as being a man hater and I found myself (what was I thinking?!) explaining that the men in my life are not so bad.

I effing well took offence, not for me but for my dad and my DH.

And then I thought 'what sort of feminist space is this?'. And it has never been the same since.

it is, Eats, and I am not exaggerating

I have also had abusive pm's.

Am taking a bit of a dump on this thread just now, and it's not all about me, but it pisses me off mightily when this board gets a trouncing for being "unfriendly"

it really is a joke

I come her because I enjoy discussing politics, and I love a good ruck

AnyFucker Tue 19-Jun-12 22:07:00
I realise that for some posters I represent all that is wrong with the world just by being a man

that isn't true

It actually is. Not you maybe, but some.

I was just interested to find out if many RadFems are in relationships with men ( partly perhaps because like you I also live with a man ) I guess some more radical feminists might avoid it, but maybe they have a different label ? I wasn't meaning to either be challenging of anyone's situation or politics, or to be nosey!

On the whole I think feminists should aim to stick together a bit under a broad umbrella as possibly that will be more supportive to more women ?

AF - That is shit really.

I have had my appearance mocked, my marriage ripped apart, my motives for helping women to see they don't have to stay in abusive relationships ridiculed, the location of my husband's bollocks questioned, and I could go on

all in the last few days, and it's a regular occurence

some regulars on the Fem board get it worse than me

a few "erm, what exactly are you doing/saying here, in this female-dominated space?" comments doesn't equate

What drew me in were the long threads, meandering around the issues, exploring the nuances, embracing the similarities and nudging at the differences. The revelation that posters were starting not from a position of an imagined equality, but from a recognition that we aren't there yet. And that women-centered thinking was what it was all about. That threads about issues that affect women didn't have to include men as a default.

The drift away from that keep me away.

Juggling I'm seem to be breaking my rule of never discussing anything personal on MN lest it be used against me (I'm only half joking), at the moment.

I'm in a heteronormative set up. I live with a man, we are married.

I accept that this is contradictory to my politics.

^^ that said to me in the last 24 hours

"you are a hideous troll"

that'll stop debate

I saw that, AF. It made me sad in my heart.

I lurk more than post. I have learned a lot, nodded in agreement a lot and also got so cross I've sworn at the screen a lot. When I was younger I didn't need to be a feminist. Now I see things differently.

No whineing at all.

Just stating a fact.

Comments that are designed to stop debates makes trying to have the discussion pointless.

no they're just nasty on here back atcha

Slightly surprised that more than one poster had the idea of wearing bollocks as earrings as have to admit the idea had never occurred to me !

Feel quite welcomed on here tonight, especially by Eats patient answers and by Beachcomber saying that "Feminism isn't comfy. It's a right royal head fuck" Can see how it would be ... is that progress ? ... possibly enough progress for one night

nobody listens to you though, custy

i come to tell you that you're wrong

yes, juggling

apparently I wear my DH's bollocks as earrings though, and if some posters "had to come home to me they would chop it off"

(yes, it's been said to me, very recently, and the former several times in fact)

so, I have precious little patience with the men who whine that they have to stop posting because they have had a few "comments" made to them on this board

I came on here as I was interested in feminism and equality.

Don't post due to various comments by various posters.

I lurk because I am still interested.

Yes there are juggling.

Just wondering are there many RadFems in relationships with men ?

Following on from what Eats said about RadFems recognising that heterosexual relationships were at the root of a lot of the day to day oppression of women ? ( At 19.18 )

What AnyFucker said.

Feminism isn't comfy. It is a right royal head fuck.

Plus to Basil's comments about yellowraincoat's cock kicking.

Plus, JugglingWithTangentialOranges, you go for it if you want to start a questions thread.