Would you be upset if your OH went on a website showing pictures of women's breasts?

I love this topic - visual excitement, what makes a body sexual, blah de blah - over a long evening out with friends.

But the Embarrassing Bodies site serves a damn useful purpose imo and it's hopelessly wrong to talk about it as if it were soft porn. The whole point of the penis, vulva & breasts galleries is to show us all what real body parts look like, by contrast with the current beauty stereotypes of both sexes. It's counter-porn, if you like. So is the vagina wall :)

Personally, I don't think it's any worse to go "Cripes, that's an odd one!" at a picture of a penis or a vulva than at a nose or an ear. Though I'd be well pissed off if the body part under scrutiny were mine!

Yes there is, could think of hundreds of examples. And men tend to. And teenage boys tend to. And teenage girls tend to. etc etc.

Fine, disengage, but understand that being a male has nothing to do with it. Being a male who is clearly deeply anti-feminist has everything to do with it.

There is no "women tend to".

i dont care if you take me seriously or not, your a very unpleasent person , i dont want to engage with you anymore, your mind is made up about me because i'm a man. so there is no point

eats,

^i'm male , sure most of you know that by now, i have no problem with women looking at cocks and rating them.

but women are not affected in the same way when they see a a cock as when a man see's a naked women, it's a fundemental difference between the sexes.

i'm not sure wether that makes it worse for men to rate women than women to rate men but, the fact is men have allways rated women , women rating men is quite new. but whats ok for one sex should be ok for another.^

this was my origonal post, in hindsight i should have said 'some women' or maybe 'women tend to', but clearly not all women are the same and i thought that went without saying when your making a generalisation, i certainly diddnt think someone would assume i could tell them how they felt.

I really wonder how you think I can take you seriously when you say I hate men thechairmanmeow . It's so obvious that I don't that it then makes it impossible to listen to anything you have to say because you just have no idea.

I LIVE with a man - a beer-swilling, bed-hogging, football-watching, stinking, hairy man. The idea that I hate men is ridiculous.

I do bloody hate men who want to tell me what I think though.

The kicking penises was a joke. Oh now YOU can't take a joke.

Ha ha ha at not liking men.

Sure. You keep telling yourself that.

Let me know when you find a feminist ANYWHERE who agrees with what you have to say.

yellow - no problem

chairman - how do you know women don't react the same way to a naked man as men do to a naked woman. Love the hetero normative assumptions by the way

yellow i said that from my observations women dont react the same way to a naked man as men do to a naked women.

now, you took this to mean "yellow, you dont like cocks". how you got from the first place to the latter is beyond me. but actually it isnt about that is it?

you havent even said how you feel about cocks, my generalisation is just a hook for you to grab to have a self-richious bullying, and you know i'm male so i get all i deserve, your just like the MRA's they have a fundemantal dislike of the opposite sex too.

and you like kicking penises, by your own admission.

btw, i dont think feminists are frustrated and humourless, i just think you are.

Sorry Eats. I can see that came across as snappy, I didn't mean it to at all. Just getting frustrated. As usual.

That's shocking, molly! But it is a really prevalent attitude, even now.

I think it is definitely society makes women act like they dont like admiring male bodies.As a joke present my mil bought me a getting married guide from 1974. It said in it women underestimate the importance of the physical feeling of sex to a men, for a woman sexual desire is more of a longing for a husband, a baby or a nice home.

Yellow - I wasn't having a pop at you. I meant people here who say they are feminists and then post anti feminist stuff. I was trying to support your post, so I am sorry if it didn't come across as that

What do you mean by "real feminists" ?

I have been posting here a while, Eats. I do know how it goes.

I think there's a big bloody difference between being rude to someone genuinely asking questions and being rude to someone who is telling women what they feel.

Yellow - And this is why some threads on here see feminists - real feminists - getting fed up and being saracstic and angry.

Oh har har har, feminists are so humourless.

Any other tropes you want to wheel out tonight?

and you cant take a joke!

No, I probably wouldn't actually. But that's probably because I'm sick of being told what I think by men.

You said earlier on that men and women react different to penises/breasts. You conceded that ONE poster had a different reaction. And now you're being creepy and saying "you like em big, eh?"

Sorry if I can't take you seriously as a pro-feminist.

from 13:34, well, molly you clearly like to look at penises and your a woman so i'm not going to argue with you.

did you bother to read this yellow and if you did, exactly which part of it did you not understand.

if i was a women making these observations and generalisations would you still have the adversarial tone with me?

I'm sorry if you felt silenced, thechairmanmeow as I'm sure you're aware, it gets really dull being told what you think by men.

i've been known to go to nude beaches, but i wouldnt class myself as a 'nudist' it's just not a big deal for me to get my kit off.

yellow, your post was trying to silence my POV with the 'oh not that old chestnut' taktic, thats what i was responding to.

molly, yes i agree with you about circumcision, i'm dead agaist it too, wether for asthetics or religeon....and you like ém big eh?

I agree with EatsBrainsAndLeaves that "I am not keen on reducing anyone to body parts like this. It is disrespectful at a basic level."

I'm not so sure about whether it's much different if they're male or female body parts. When there's no artistry involved in the depiction, can we say the link with pornography has been broken? Perhaps there's an educational or therapeutic value in seeing a whole lot of varying breasts/vulvas/penises if you're neurotic about your own (as in that other thread about "Body ownership"). But in general I think we ought to deal with whole people and accept that their bodies do vary, and in fact it can be a lot of fun to see that variety, as one might in a sauna. It would be nice if we could replace judgements about beauty/ugliness with just an acceptance that we all have bodies, and life's more interesting because they're all different. Where's that contributor here who goes to nude beaches?

I have no idea what your last comment means, thechairmanmeow could you explain?

No I dont like circumsicion in the slightest I dont agree with it and it doesnt look as nice.I like them big as well but at least Im honest!

ohh 'that old chestnut again' was it yellow, i should have known.

Oh and the thing about Victorians and chair legs is not true. Just as an aside.

I can't believe people are still bandying about the old "men are aroused by women's bodies, but women just want to laugh at penises".

Sigh and huff.

chairmanmeow what makes one penis nice and one not? What makes one pair of breasts nice and one not? Or a painting? Or a sofa? It's totally subjective.