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Is sexual orientation a choice?

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WidowWadman · 13/06/2012 20:00

Julie Bindel seems to think so.

Is it just me or is that actually fairly offensive?

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EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:47

So eats, I take you feel men should be eradicated or at least made a simodcant minority in order for women to be treated fairly?

RulersMakeBadLovers · 18/06/2012 22:46

It's like 1989 all over again with all these "E"s everywhere.

In my opinion.

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:45

Well of its insidiously inside all men, they are a lost cause then, women can't be free while they exist :)

enimmead · 18/06/2012 22:44

Can a man be raised in a sexist environment and then change their ways and habits?

enimmead · 18/06/2012 22:44

Eats - how do you know what every male thinks and how they behave?

I am willing to believe that there are men out there who live their life with hardly a hint of sexism in them. Who share the housework? Who share childcare, who do not expect women to dress up for them, who do not objectify women, who have opened their eyes to the world and do not have sexist attitudes.

I am sure such men exist. Somewhere.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:43

I think they try their best and can raise much less sexist boys/men. But as you know, children have lots of other influences on them apart from their mother. So no I don't think it is possible to raise a totally none sexist boy/man. That is what insidious about patriarchy - it literally gets inside of us all

namechangeguy · 18/06/2012 22:41

Is it possible that some feminists have raised sons who are not sexist? Perhaps even some feminists who post here?

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:38

No I have been affected by it, has everyone. But women and men/boys and girls are treated differently and given different messages

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:34

Eats, by your own definition, you were brought up in patriarchial society and you've stayed immune to it?

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:32

In such a dominant... That should say.

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:31

Don't believe everyone is brought up in a a dominant patriarchal society that would cause them not to be able to not be sexist.

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WidowWadman · 18/06/2012 22:30

eatsbrains - men and women are brought up in the same society. A lot of them take the sexist messages on board, but thankfully not all of them. And that's true for all sexes and genders.

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:28

So you think eclectic that some men can be brought up in a patriarchial society with lots of sexist messages and not absorb any of them?

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:27

I suppose so, but all men are sexist sound like fascist propaganda to me... Horses for courses...

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:23

It sounds pretty rude to say - just don't use the terms...-fine if you want to say you would prefer me not to use the term. But it does sound rather like an order

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:21

Thats perfectly fine eats, just don't use the terms, truth or fact, like many rad fems do to shut down debate.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:18

Eclectic - No we can't prove it, so yes it is my opinion. But it is a deeply help opinion of mine

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:16

It's my opinion, as I said, we can't prove it either way.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:16

Eclectic - No need to apologise, I don't care about typos or grammar.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:15

You have said you don't think all men are sexist. Is that just your opinion then? Or do you think it is true?

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:15

Sorry for typos and grammar, on phone.

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:14

Their is not truth yet regarding this issue a far as I'm aware, so please present your opinions as opinions not truths, ibthink hat would be extremely helpful all round.

enimmead · 18/06/2012 22:09

What is truth?

(c) Pontius Pilate

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/06/2012 22:08

I believe it to be the truth - you don't

EclecticShock · 18/06/2012 22:02

Eats, according to your last post, we are a product of our environment, hence you are too and your viewpoint is therefore subjective not objective and therefore not the universal truth, so please stop pedalling it as such.