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do you believe in the patriarchy?

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bejeezusWC · 08/06/2012 07:47

A poster on another thread said she views feminism as the struggle against patriarchy. That is how I view it too. I believe that is considered the rad fem stance?

Another poster said she didn't believe in patriarchy

I don't geddit

Why/how are women so unequal if not for patriarchal societies? WHO has been oppressing us?

Please tell me what you think, if you don't believe in patriarchy

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dittany · 11/06/2012 22:05

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EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 22:02

Sure dittany, some human interactions are influenced by patriarchy, some aren't and some we shall never know what the influences are.

FrothyDragon · 11/06/2012 22:01

Agreed, Rulers. That's the same order it happened in for me, too.

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:59

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RulersMakeBadLovers · 11/06/2012 21:59

I didn't start to see this stuff because I became a feminist. I became a feminist because I saw it.

BasilBabyEater · 11/06/2012 21:58

No, but Wasabi has told us about her experience and in this case, it is because she was a woman.

But you don't believe her.

Because teh correct way to receive a woman's experience, is to invalidate and dismiss it, right?

But hey, you're a feminist because you say you are.

I think men are much better than women and cleverer and work much harder and it's right and proper that they should slap women around every now and then when they get a bit uppity and I'm glad that they rule the world. but I'm a feminist and I will be outraged and insulted if anyone says I'm not and accuse them of thinking they own feminism and being narsty ole bullies.

Hmm
EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:58

My answer is that in general women don't want to do it. Either because they haven't been educated about it or because they would rather do something else, there are so many reasons. No one is oppressing them and stopping them.

FrothyDragon · 11/06/2012 21:58

Cough Kettle, black.

You're calling a woman, who has listed a recent experience of sexism a liar.

You're calling a collective feminist belief "narrow minded".

And now you're choosing to call me ridiculous.

Maybe I'm having a less serious than usual day, but I come here to converse with like minded people, not to see the political beliefs of the people I care about ridiculed. There are more sensitive ways of saying "I don't agree".

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:55

Feminists aren't narrow minded. Seeing patriarchy in every human interaction is myopic.

dittany · 11/06/2012 21:55

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RulersMakeBadLovers · 11/06/2012 21:55

"but sometimes i see men group together in a way that leave me very uneasy" Tilly - me too. And if one doesn't see that, I suggest that one either doesn't mix much in predominantly male company (where a particular woman's opinion doesn't count much) or one has blinkers on. Because it happens all the time, across all classes and cultures.

Portofino · 11/06/2012 21:54

ES - Why do girls not do technology degrees? Your answer, please, not Google's.

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:54

Frothy, you are quite ridiculous in what you add to the discussion.

FrothyDragon · 11/06/2012 21:53

So... now feminists are narrow minded.

Gee, thanks...

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:52

That should say, I do believe in patriarchy but...

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:51

Dittany, read my posts, and you will see that I do, howeve I don't believe it's the basis for all human interaction.

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:50

Basil, you're denying facts of life... It's not all about I'm a woman so that must be the reason for any type of negative situation I experience. Narrow, myopic view.

dittany · 11/06/2012 21:49

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FrothyDragon · 11/06/2012 21:49

Evo psych, by a man, on wimminz issues... Well played, ES

BasilBabyEater · 11/06/2012 21:46

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AbigailAdams · 11/06/2012 21:44

Oh don't start on bias please

FrothyDragon · 11/06/2012 21:43

Oh wait, EclecticShock is denying the event happened in that manner. Or at all.

I get it.

"Wimminz Liieeeeee"

I'm off to deal with my essay. You know, the one where I have to write on one of four sources, all created by a men, from a dossier which is composed of nothing but texts by men.

Tell a lie. There's a page of Simone de Beauvoir in there. But only because a page of her chapter was on the same page as the end of a man's chapter...

But it's more bearable than hearing another woman being accused of lying. Again.

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:41

Porto, her opinion is not any more valid than the others in the meeting, but no one asked them their opinion.

EclecticShock · 11/06/2012 21:39

Look up critical thinking, then look up bias :)

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