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Radfems and transsexuals – an outsider’s view

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 12:56

I?ve been reading the recent threads discussing feminism and transgender, and pretty challenging I?ve found them too. As an outsider, though, I can?t help thinking a lot of the radfems? concerns aren?t, in reality, an issue when it comes to the practicalities of how men oppress women.

This is going to be a bit of a long post, so to save it all appearing at the top of subsequent pages (assuming there are any) I?ll put the meat of it in a separate post below.

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 15:26

Chibi ? The point I was trying to make is that violent revolution is not the only way to make progress. I?m certainly not saying you should be patient. It would be fantastic if the change feminists want could happen in your lifetime. The question is: what?s the best way to achieve that?

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amillionyears · 03/06/2012 15:22

I agree with the op.
Only by educating them,can men see when they are being sexist.

I think women shouting and getting irate about it,get nowhere.

chibi · 03/06/2012 15:17

Gradual erosion my bum

what am i , limestone?

chibi · 03/06/2012 15:15

So easy to be blasé about some other group making progress towards equality over centuries, with future progress occuring at a similarly glacial pace

i am not a geological formation, so that kind of pace is just not good enough

go on and tell me, my daughter, why we ought to be patient for something that won't happen in our lifetime

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 15:02

my cakes are delicious, the trick is to mix a little lemon zest in with the flour, make such a difference....maybe i should transfer to the cooking section?

AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 14:59

Sorry to hear you've had problems with bitter cakes. Maybe turn the oven down so it cooks less quickly.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:48

so what do you want liberation from? patriachy?

HotheadPaisan · 03/06/2012 14:47

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 14:45

Julia ? yes, there is resistance when those in power are asked to give up that power. But progress has been made over the last century or too in this country despite that. I have a possibly naive hope that the culture that oppresses women can continue to be eroded by education and argument

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thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:44

i have been baking with my boys this afternoon as it go's, only what i bake will no doubt taste less bitter.

hothead, i see what your saying but inequality of nature, men cant have babies, isnt something we can change there are many other ways equality can be reached, equal pay, perental leave, quotas on boards etc.

KalSkirata · 03/06/2012 14:44

marking place

AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 14:40

Goodness, equality. Well I'm not sure my brain is quite up to thinking about such complex matters. Would be much better if you guys could just let me know what you've decided once you've used your clever man brains. Too much thinking makes me all giddy.

Slice of cake, proles? I made it myself. We can swop recipes if you like?

HotheadPaisan · 03/06/2012 14:40

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thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:39

thats very true julia, people with privilige are unlikely to give it up unless they have to. wether it's class or gender.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:37

prolesworth and alice...terrific, typicly resonable responses, first you argue against ideas no one has put forward , insinuating that me and others have said them when we havent, then you mock , then suggest you should suffle off to the kitchen! amazing!

JuliaScurr · 03/06/2012 14:36

Interesting that you see men changing being voluntary.

People with power tend not to surrender it voluntarily by reasoned argument. That's why they were digging them out of holes in the ground all over the Middle East.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:35

do you want equality alice? and if you do who do you want to have equality with? men perhaps? , this doesnt mean we all have to focus on men, but they will have to be included in the conversation, IF you want equality with men.

Prolesworth · 03/06/2012 14:34

Come on Alice, let's go into the kitchen and leave these fellows to sort this mess out.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:33

so anyway, what is for dinner alice ?

i figure if your going to treat me as though i treated you in a sexist way i might as well have done.

AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 14:33

No argument here. I'm just doing some knitting while you guys get it sorted. Much more ladylike.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:31

alice, who are you arguing with? certainly isnt me .....must be the demons who live between your ears !

AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 14:29

Thanks heavens you're here too miaow. Well have this sorted by dinner I'm sure.

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 14:28

Hothead ? yes you are right, they can do. I?ve had to as well. But it was not until my late 40s that I began to appreciate what feminism was saying. Up until them I could be as sexist as any man, and some of my past behaviour shames me. I don?t want other men to have to wait as long to see the light. Of course I need to play my own role in educating my fellow men, but I can only make a small impact on my own.

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AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 14:28

Yes it's best we focus on educating the men rather than this silly women's stuff we whitter about. I mean what did conscious raising ever achieve? Hmm

I'm wondering if when we raise this stuff we have dinner on the table and slippers by the fire? That might help I think. Makes it much more ladylike and reasonable.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 14:20

novice, you shouldnt have said you were male, once you do that your fair game for abuse, ridicule and general disrespect.
i'm sure you were simply offering your opinion and diddnt feel you 'had to sort these poor misguided feminists out' i mean we all know that all they need is a man to do that and they will see the light.
dont expect equality on a feminist tread, if you have a penis your demonised, simple as that.

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