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Radfems and transsexuals – an outsider’s view

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 12:56

I?ve been reading the recent threads discussing feminism and transgender, and pretty challenging I?ve found them too. As an outsider, though, I can?t help thinking a lot of the radfems? concerns aren?t, in reality, an issue when it comes to the practicalities of how men oppress women.

This is going to be a bit of a long post, so to save it all appearing at the top of subsequent pages (assuming there are any) I?ll put the meat of it in a separate post below.

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dittany · 03/06/2012 16:18

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thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 16:17

sorry, women spend more time etc

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 16:16

maybe so stars , children spend more time with children, but it's still a fact, google it.

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 16:15

you havent made a praat of yourself novice, you have simply made the mistake of assuming that people fighting for equality would treat people equaly.

StarsAndBoulevards · 03/06/2012 16:15

Women aren't the only people who abuse children, though. And I'm still awaiting evidence on this...

But if you bear in mind the number of women who raise their children singlehandedly, it'd probably work out, that, if childcare was 50-50, men would still be doing the majority of the abusing.

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 16:12

Dittany ? thanks for the advice. I?m not a big Guardian reader, but I?ll make more effort to do what you say, and other similar actions.

Clearly I?ve made a bit of a prat of myself here. But I will learn from the experience. And I do genuinely care, as much as a man can, about the injustices women suffer at our hands. :)

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thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 16:12

a child is more likely to suffer physical ( not sexual) abuse from a woman than a man. fact.

women should stop abusing and beating children!!

see how it sounds now?

StarsAndBoulevards · 03/06/2012 16:07

It does not.

it implies all rapists are men.

This is basic English Language...

Only rapists think all men are rapists.

dittany · 03/06/2012 16:07

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StarsAndBoulevards · 03/06/2012 16:06

Amillionyears, do you really think that all the FWR section do is sit around, drinking tea, baking cakes and talking to each other on here? Hmm

thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 16:06

never mind the 'ohh back to the' or 'oh not that old chestnut again'

thats just a very transparent verbal trink intended to block a perfectly resonable point before it's started.

saying 'men should stop raping' implies that all men rape.

StarsAndBoulevards · 03/06/2012 16:00

Oihhhh, back to the "all men are rapists", are we?

No, Ethel wasn't saying that.

Saying "Men should stop raping" points out that ALL rapists (in the UK) are men.

English Language 101...

dittany · 03/06/2012 16:00

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thechairmanmeow · 03/06/2012 15:51

ethel i think perhaps 'rapists should stop rapeing women' would be more appropriate, unless you think all men are rapists of course?

Alameda · 03/06/2012 15:51

this is so hilarious (thanks especially a lot Alice) have fucked up my usually perfect gorgonzola sauce

amillionyears · 03/06/2012 15:49

Men dont tend to change their behaviour unless women challenge them on it,imo.

EthelMoorhead · 03/06/2012 15:43

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RulersMakeBadLovers · 03/06/2012 15:41

What?! It's up to men to have a sit down, read abit, think awhile and change their own behaviour. Isn't it?!

AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 15:41

Which is excellent, as I just don't think society is set up to hear a man's view very much. It's pretty much ignored by the media, politics, academia, religion, internet and so on.

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NoviceProFemGuy · 03/06/2012 15:38

Alice ? I was responding to Julia?s post about the Middle East.

Rulers ? yes, that is what I need to do more of. Perhaps a thread on what pro-feminist men can do to make a difference would help me.

But what I was trying to do in a ham-fisted way was give a male view of a feminist concern in the hope that by understanding how men feel feminists might be better able to change their (ie men's) behavior

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amillionyears · 03/06/2012 15:37

I think feminists need to talk to men.
MN on the whole is talking to other women.

Alameda · 03/06/2012 15:35

hahaha and everything hotheadpaisan has said

chibi · 03/06/2012 15:34

I don't know, there has certainly been lots of patient explaining why rape/violence against women/wage gaps/inequality in general/etc etc etc are crap, and yet here we are, living in a sexist misogynist world, where the paradigm of male dominance through violence penetrates every layer and area of our culture and lives

i appreciate that violent revolution must sound a bit intimidating to people who are privileged by the current system, but nice and patient explaining doesn't seem to be getting us there. Maybe violent revolution is the way forward.

i am being a teeny bit facetious, but it is funny how people cede power, not when they are asked, not when someone appeals to their sense of justice, but when they think they alternative might be being strung up or guillotined or riots etc Smile

RulersMakeBadLovers · 03/06/2012 15:30

Why isn't your question "what can I do to help you achieve that?" along with a bit of "I'm prepared to put my head above the parapet and take some flack too, along with putting my hand in my pocket every now and again", instead of the you-are-doing-it-all-wrong stance.

How refreshing would that be?

AliceHurled · 03/06/2012 15:28

Violent revolution Hmm Where is the violence coming from feminists? Are you think of male violence towards women?

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