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RAD FEM 12! Booking for the London conference is now open!

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DaisyHayes · 15/05/2012 23:03

How exciting! The website looks like it is accepting bookings.

Are any of you planning on coming? I am fully expecting the FWR Mumsnetters to take over the open mic section of the evening do Grin

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DaisyHayes · 19/05/2012 21:23

Also, some "women who weren't born in a female body" actually are not very interested in issues which do relate to biological women - a very clear reason for having an exclusivly biological women only space. Especially during a time when the War on Women is trying to eradicate women's bodily autonomy.

Julia Serano, a very prominant and well respected trans* activist decribes herself as a feminist but at times this is very problematic (as far as I'm concerened) because she is explicit in being not that interested in issues which don't apply to her.

For instance recently she complained on Twitter that feminists are focusing too much on issues of contraception, pregnancy and abortion and there are other issues which we should be concentrating on.

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AyeRobot · 19/05/2012 21:19

woman with a penis? God be praised, it's a miracle!

thechairmanmeow · 19/05/2012 21:12

transgender with a beard?

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DaisyHayes · 19/05/2012 21:08

WidowWadman, the vast majority of trans* folk do not choose to surgically alter their bodies or even want to. There are also a number who do not engage with even ?presenting? as the opposite sex to that which they were assigned at birth (e.g. ?female? clothing, hairstyle etc.)

Which mean that we are talking about having (potentially) a person with a beard, a deep voice, ?male? clothing and a penis saying that they are a woman. (Because they know/feel that they are a woman.)

Whatever - I have no argument with individuals living their lives as they see fit. If that is what that person chooses to do to make themselves happy, I?m certainly not going to be shouting that they?re wrong to do so.

But when someone who identifies as a transwoman - and ?presents? as I have described above - wishes to enter a space like Rad Fem 12, do you not see how that is a problem for (some) FAAB radical feminists?

And do you not think that they have a right to create a (tiny, one-off) space where there is no possibility at all of them having to be in a workshop with someone with a penis and a beard to discuss rape or contraception or pregnancy?

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WidowWadman · 19/05/2012 20:10

Indeed, how are they actually checking? Do you have to present your birth certificate?

WidowWadman · 19/05/2012 20:09

Why is there a need to exclude women who weren't born in a female body?

AliceHurled · 19/05/2012 20:04

Not read the article you're referring to, but the F word censors what gets published on their comments. So you will only get one perspective.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 19/05/2012 17:51

Just been reading the comments on the F-Word article. Virtually every single women only or lesbian only space where I live is open to transexuals. But it seems there are lots of people who think that no space should ever just be for biological women. I really hope the conference organisers don't cave in from the pressure on this one

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 18/05/2012 19:03

Typical F-Word!

WidowWadman · 18/05/2012 18:48

Interesting perspective on this from The F-Word

DaisyHayes · 17/05/2012 22:06

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LavenderCakes · 17/05/2012 19:53

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AliceHurled · 17/05/2012 18:02

Meeeeeeee. I've got a stash.

FrothyDragon · 17/05/2012 16:47

OK, who's stolen my "E" button?

FrothyDragon · 17/05/2012 16:47

Yah, that'll b under the invisibilty cloak too... Wink

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 17/05/2012 12:45

But won't you all be wearing the hideous MN scarves?

FrothyDragon · 16/05/2012 20:54

Nor have I. But if I do, it's under an invisibility cloak. Good luck spotting me... Wink

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 16/05/2012 20:09

Thinking about it. Never been before

Alameda · 16/05/2012 19:14

didn't you know? MN is infested

are you coming too Eats?

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 16/05/2012 18:15

Frothydragon - Duuurrhh of course! Sorry a bit slow

cinnamonnut · 16/05/2012 18:14

Would love to go! But going away a couple of days before :(

FrothyDragon · 16/05/2012 18:06

Blame the patriarchy, EatsBrains...

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 16/05/2012 18:04

Its good, but just wondered why there are so many radical feminists on MN. Never come across it anywhere else online except on specifically feminist sites

FrothyDragon · 16/05/2012 18:00

If I go, am I allowed to sing Augustana ballads completely offkey at the open mic? Please? Pleasepleaseplease?

AbigailAdams · 16/05/2012 17:15

I can do cheering!

(I'm really just hiding my ignorance of any L7 songs tbh!)