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Please be gentle - self harm as a feminist issue

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fluffydressinggown · 12/05/2012 17:55

I am currently in a psychiatric unit because of my self harm.

My psychologist has asked me to read two books (Susie Orbach - Bodies and Women who Run With the Wolves) and think about them in relation to my own body and feelings.

Reading them and thinking has made me wonder about how I, as a woman, view my own body as a without value and an object for me to do things to rather than to inhabit and be a part of.

I certainly think that in the media there is a strong sense as woman's bodies as objects without meaning behind them.

I consider myself to be a feminist and so I am interested that some of my issues (of course this is not the only reason) may be related to this. I certainly place no value on my body in terms of keeping it safe or secure and I do see it as a vessle to destroy which is quite separate to my own internal being. I often say 'I need to do enough' and 'I need to make it right' which make me wonder why it has to be enough and right on my body. I don't do it for emotional release or to dull internal pain, it is about damage and punishment, and a way to communicate.

Of course self harm is deeper than this and has many many reasons, but I am interested in looking at it like this and wondered if anyone had any other feelings.

Interestingly I am very well 'kept' and for the 6 weeks I have been here (and prior while I was in the community and unwell) I have had my make up done, nice hair, nice clean clothes, showered twice a day. I find the contrast between this and the hand I can barely use because it is so bruised and swollen from shutting it in heavy fire doors to be difficult. Oh and I have been told repeatedly that 'I am a nice girl' and 'I obviously care for myself' because of my make up - despite the very physical damage I do to my body. Which is interesting, like being a nice, good, neat girl makes it ok?

Like I say please please be gentle :)

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SeaHouses · 12/05/2012 18:28

Hi. I hope you are doing okay and I think you're brave to post about your experiences.

I haven't read the books you've been recommended but I have read Orbach's Hunger Strike (about anorexia) and the book published by 42nd Street (the self harm counseling group) called Who's harming who?

I do think the issue of separating the mind from the body and not seeing the body as part of who you are is a very important factor in a number of problematic issues that can have a huge psychological impact on women. I think Orbach is really, really good at explaining that in a way that reaches out to women. I hope that is also true in the Orbach book you're been recommended.

I will come back on this thread later when I have more time, but didn't want to leave your post unanswered.

AnyFucker · 12/05/2012 18:27

I get you, and I don't think you should be worried

this is so much a feminist issue and I wish I could formulate something useful to say x

fluffydressinggown · 12/05/2012 18:24

Ok my computer battery is dying but I am sorry for any crossed wires, AnyFucker - I really appreciated your kind sympathy and took it as that. Lots of thoughts for you.

Just worried because I have a thread about my admission in mental health and didn't want people to think I was attention seeking about it. Just trying to make sense I guess.

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AnyFucker · 12/05/2012 18:19

I didn't think you were attention-seeking, I think this subject is a massive one and not often discussed.

Some of the Big Guns will be along later, I am sure, and will be better able to frame their replies.

it's a difficult area for me, because although I don't have "major" self-harm issues, I do have more low-level, less-visible and very long-standing ones as a result of my childhood

hence my inarticulacy but whole hearted support

fluffydressinggown · 12/05/2012 18:18

I have only just started seeing him, I am quite good at 'intellectualising' my issues and I think he is tyring to find a way in.

I have never really thought about how other and separate I am from my own body and where this might have come from. But it makes sense that I can destroy a body I feel so disconnected to.

Ok I will stop rambling now :)

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maybenow · 12/05/2012 18:08

It sounds like you have a good psychologist who has really given you some new things to think about.

I know very little about self-harm so i'm afraid i don't have much to add but I do wish you all the best in learning to rebuild your relationship with your amazing body which does so much for you and allows your 'self' to experience this world.

fluffydressinggown · 12/05/2012 18:03

Thank you.

I don't want to see attention seeking with this, I know I have a big post on mental health but it had just not occoured to me that maybe the way I see my own body is liked in to my own existance as a woman.

My Mum certainly is quite detatched from here body, always dieting, always covering up and rejecting herself as she is.

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SweetTheSting · 12/05/2012 18:02

Didn't want to leave this unanswered, I am sorry for all you are going through.

I agree that a lot of objectifying and 'othering' of women's bodies goes on in the media. I sOmetImes hate my body for being overweight but don't think I would think about it so much without constant media pictures etc - even giving up wOmen's magazines doesn't stop constant coverage in news etc of such matters.

Best wishes for your recovery.

AnyFucker · 12/05/2012 17:58

I can't find the words just now, but I want to say how much I wish you well x