Why "fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin

Anyway, this is getting out of hand, apologies. I am not personally attacking NYAC, as I have only encountered her on one thread. My point is that this board should do something about extremist views and not just let them run. It's not encouraging to women who want to participate and understand feminism.

There's quite a lot of not overtly feminist material here eclectic. No surprise to you surely?

I also hardly ever see people going into other areas of the board and posting on threads with irrelavancies to the actual topic. At least they never seem quite so targetted.

I thought it was interesting when there was a thread a while back on AIBU about a woman who was asexual. People seem genuinely horrified by the idea. I'd like there to be a bit more of a balance rather than the way everything at the moment is about performative sexuality. It would be better if there was a context of women having a range of options that were viewed as equally acceptable.

The world is full of discussions about men though, there should be space for conversations which don't 'naturally' drift man wards. There's space for everything.
I think sometimes that feminism is to human rights what what save the polar ice caps is to environmentalism.you can't keep getting side tracked into rain forest discussions, important as they are, or you'd.never solve the polar problem

No you're right, NYAC has been subdued on this thread. Please read the transgender thread.

Rubbish, I read a post earlier, about how the OP ignores post from men and will respond to women who disagree with her, because she feels the need to educate them.

Instead of reading the threads logically, try it with your knickers in a twist fridakahlo and you might see things differently.

I don't see where Nyac has done anything passive aggressive on this thread...

That's because the focus of this board are issues that effect women, not how they effect people.
Also I've never seen a male poster being targeted for being male, I have seen them shot down in flames because they were attacking feminism.

Sorry, what questions do you want answering? The female supremacy thing! How about every thread on this board that talks about ignoring male posters or excluding how topics affect them.

Back to the op and 'if men like [it] . . . it's not working' of strands of feminism, very useful. Or: if it makes men shriek hysterically about female supremacy it must be doing something right. Thanks op.

Why is this thread now just one long personal attack?

I'm aware of the quote from Andrea Dworkin - I think it's from a chapter in Renate Klein's anthology on Radical Feminism. I lent out the book about 10 years ago and didn't get it back, so can't be sure! :-)

Still don't like the term "fun fem" and still think there's a risk it can be used just to dismiss and silence those who don't meet some arbitrary standard of feminist values. I'd rather see arguments against the perpetuation of specific beliefs and practices rather than a list of "things that aren't really feminist," which will probably get lots of things tacked on the end and there will never be any agreement on.

For what it's worth, discussion of sexual oppression IS going to be scary, regardless of how it's done. It's impossible to keep the political from being personal and vice versa, so people will have strong feelings and use strong language in articulating these. Perhaps one needs a strong stomach to engage in discussions here and elsewhere on feminism. Being just a textual medium, perhaps we would all benefit from remembering how easy it is to misunderstand and be misunderstood. But, I would never want folks to feel they need to sanitise their experience or views to be more palatable. The experience of being at the sharp end of misogyny, whether individually or collectively, isn't something that should be sugar-coated, imho.

Is that at me sm?
Nope just asking. . Questions answers back and forth. Discursive. Not just flinging shite everywhere

I would question any feminists whose main focus is being 'sex positive', given the many other crucial issues involved in the women's rights movement. How common are they, though? I can't think of any serious feminist campaigners like this... only women like Brooke Magnanti who think all feminists are dried-up humourless old hags anyway. Someone above mentioned Jezebel - which is certainly full of tedious celebrity shit, but also mounts a sterling defence of Roe v. Wade. The attitudes attributed to fun feminists by Julie Bindel certainly exist, but mostly (in my experience) they're held by misogynistic twats, rather than self-identified feminists.

demanding answers is quite hectoring
who made you paxman in mn

IIRC, there was a big thread about whether the section was pro-feminist or just about feminism. The discussion got heated, as you might imagine.

In a follow-up thread, MNHQ declared that the section was about feminism, and that non-feminists were welcome to post.

That, along with a belief that MRAs were 'invading' the site and harassing users, drove a few posters off the site, the most notable being dittany. She came back a few months later, and possibly others did too, but hers is the most... 'memorable' posting style.

Feel free amillion, to give your feminist critique of Burlesque, if you have one.

Any answers eclectic shock? Just so you know, being asked questions isn't the same as being bullied.
To be frank you did come bursting onto the thread with unpleasant hectoring remarks
Rback on them if you think not. I did engage with you in good faith before I realised you weren't here for engagement. But I always try to give my opinion in a reasonable polite way, on the assumption that people want a proper discussion. Sometimes disappointment makes me sharp. I feel.a bit of a fool for trying as I have been stung horribly in the past. But I do find the subject very interesting and helpful.