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Does anyone have figures for people in prison for consensual sex with similarly aged but underage partners?

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SardineQueen · 05/05/2012 21:05

Just looking at another thread on here and a lot of people saying they know young men who are in prison / on the sex offenders register for consensual sex - the ages being talked about are 15 and 17.

Also someone saying that in young offenders institutes there are a of young people in there for similarly aged consensual sex.

This seems unlikely to me but I have no figures to go on so I don't really know. Does anyone have any stats on this?

Thanks.

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 17:02

Thank you lowflyingbirds.

I am not sure what choc's point is either but she seems determined to make it Confused

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 17:01

Your first cut and paste looks like a small excerpt from the sexual offences act 2003 (england and wales)

Your second if from the legislation that applies to scotland

???

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:59

Your first copy and pasted linked directly to what?

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:58

"Why would I be talking about the law in England? Why are you not talking about the law in Scotland. "

My second post talking about the CPS. This is the service in england and wales. in scotland it is called something else.
And the small matter of me linking to and quoting the sexual offences act 2003 all through the thread.

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LowFlyingBirds · 06/05/2012 16:57

Chocadoodle - i cant speak for anyone else but i find your posts rather annoying because youre not actually making any valid points yet seem to have a strong urge to get some sort of point across.

Why not just post, clearly, what you think and why. Would be a lot easier all round.

Just realised, think this may be why some people are so willing to trot out the '17yo jailed for consensual sex with 15yo' myth...its shorthand for an agenda that they arent willing to vocalise, or perhaps even acknowledge themselves?

chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:57

My comment here Sun 06-May-12 13:37:21 mentions the legislation.

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:56

"I have copied the legislation that says boys aged 16+ can be prosecuted for having sex with girls under 16."

NO YOU COPIED THE LEGISLATION TO BACK UP THIS COMMENT:

"Another thing that is illegal is in the case when both boy and girl are under 16yrs. The boy would be able to be prosecuted but not the girl. "

AND IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS.

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chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:55

SQ
look further up thread, my first copy and paste related directly to that.

chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:54

Why would I be talking about the law in England? Why are you not talking about the law in Scotland.

You said you were talking about UK law, which in fact doesn't exist. Am I not allowed to talk about the law in my own country, but in fact go away and learn about the law in another country.

However, I have no doubt that major similarities exist between the two.

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:53

"I have copied the legislation that says boys aged 16+ can be prosecuted for having sex with girls under 16."

NO YOU HAVE COPIED THE LEGISLATION TALKING ABOUT TWO OLDER CHILDREN HAVING SEX WITH EACH OTHER

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:52

That's right Optimistic, only the boy would be prosecuted. To understand it helps to read through the subsections.

NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT
TRY READING WHAT YOU HAVE PASTED
IT SAYS THEY ARE BOTH COMMITTING THE SAME CRIME
ADDITIONALLY WHY ARE YOU PASTING THE LAW IN SCOTLAND WHEN WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ENGLAND ALL THROUGH THE THREAD

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:51

"Why are being so argumentative? The law is the law. I have only pointed the legislation out."

You have pointed out the legislation in SCOTLAND. All through teh thread we have been talking about the law in ENGLAND. Are you scottish?

And the piece that you have pasted DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU IMAGINE IT SAYS. You are misreading it because you have pre-existing ideas about what the law says. It DOES NOT SAY what you claim it says. And it's scotland.

Of course I'm irate. It's like trying to have a conversation with a goldfish.

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chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:50

That's right Optimistic, only the boy would be prosecuted. To understand it helps to read through the subsections.
It is a bit bizarre but it links to the old laws to protect the girls from unwanted pregnancies.

SQ
First of all you asked if I was in Afghanistan and then you referred to another poster that you were talking about the UK. Then went on to talk about 'our' country. Maybe you should have been explicit that you were only interested in discussing the laws on England, which is what I presume you are doing.

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:47

optimisticpessimist it says that if the other person consents then they are also committing a crime.

So if A penetrates B and B consents then they are both committing the same crime of sex with an older child.

"Older child" is not a term that is used in the English laws AFAIK.

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chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:46

Why are being so argumentative? The law is the law. I have only pointed the legislation out. Whether or not I think this is a realistic grasp on how I view society has got nothing to do with it.

Where have I went wrong? What exactly have I said to annoy you so much?

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:44

Oh are you scottish? You have linked to the law in scotland.

I have been discussing English law ie the sexual offences act 2003.
If you are going to use different legislation to the one that has talked about all through the thread it would be helpful for you to mention it, save other people time and effort.

Fact is though that it clearly says that if a 15 yo boy and girl have sex with each other then they are both committing the same offence.

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OptimisticPessimist · 06/05/2012 16:43

From the exerpt posted, it seems in the case of PIV sex only the boy would be prosecuted (it specifically states penetrates with his penis) but in the case of oral sex performed on a boy then both could be prosecuted Confused

chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:43

I have copied the legislation that says boys aged 16+ can be prosecuted for having sex with girls under 16.
Isn't that what the whole point of this thread was about?

chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:41

here

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:40

In short, what you pasted to back up your ideas about what the law is, proved that you were wrong.

And I can't find where you got it from anyway.

I mean you seriosuly believe that a 15yo girl and boy having sex the boy can be prosecuted but not the girl? Seriously?
The fact that you can even imagine that the law would say that shows that you have a very unrealistic grasp of how things are in our country.

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:38

You said
"Another thing that is illegal is in the case when both boy and girl are under 16yrs. The boy would be able to be prosecuted but not the girl."
In the piece you have pasted this is the part
"2(4) In the circumstances specified in subsection (1), if B engages by consent in the conduct in question, then B commits an offence, to be known as the offence of engaging while an older child in consensual sexual conduct with another older child."
ie if they are both under 16 they are both committing the same offence

But please can you tell me where you got the bit you pasted as I am havign trouble finding it.

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SardineQueen · 06/05/2012 16:36

Can you link where you got that from, as I can't find it in the act, all I can find is crimes which specify a child under 13 and/or an adult over 18 being involved.

Which act and which section of the act is that in?

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chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:36

Optimistic - yes that's right

I merely said that A = boy and B= girl for ease of reading as it is relevant to the thread.

chocladoodle · 06/05/2012 16:35

The law does not state anywhere about the girl being pregnant - I did not say that - I used it as an example of where it is explicity known that a girl has engaged in sex. I also used it as an example of how it can be more damaging to a girl for the results of said sex.

I never stated that the law is there to penalise boys for getting girls pregnant - you have misinterpreted what I have been saying. You seem to be looking for an argument in everything that I have said by mixing my words.

I believe my understanding of the law to be correct, as it is never just a case of picking snippets of information from the legislation but looking at the whole picture.

I HAVE copied and pasted the above information directly from the legislation so to suggest that I have somehow done this incorrectly is insulting and I can't quite understand your reasoning for accusing me of this.

Can you please highlight the incorrect information that I 'keep posting'. If so then I will correct it.

OptimisticPessimist · 06/05/2012 16:33

Chocodoodle, surely the second part which relates to oral sex could equally apply to boys and girls, in both straight or gay partnerships.

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