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Yet 'more' internet sexism - Louise Mensch sexist abuse on Twitter

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Lottapianos · 03/05/2012 13:08

here

So sorry for Daily Fail link but I felt this story needed sharing.

Now I am no fan of Louise Mensch - I think she's a muppet for all sorts of reasons and her refusal to endorse any anti-Murdoch findings by the select committee she sat on was just about laughable.

However, this is yet another example of how commonplace it is to hurl sexist abuse at women who you don't agree with or whose views you dispute. It's nowhere near as vitriolic as the vile things that were tweeted about Ched Evans' rape victim, but to me the mindset is the same - don't like something a woman says/does, use it as an excuse to ridicule her for sharing her opinions/actions in the first place.

I'm just sick and tired of all this - some people are so hateful and it's exhausting Sad

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kipperandtiger · 04/05/2012 17:29

I have plenty of friends who use Twitter, but I don't like it - the nature of how it is used, and how anyone can simply drop a soundbite out there. Of late it has become filled with people imagining that they can hide behind a username to hurl abuse at someone they envy/dislike/resent/all three. As a public platform where comments are recorded, users should be aware that their comments can be and should be treated with as much accountability as leaving a written notice on the village hall noticeboard or publishing it in a newspaper - and be subject to prosecution for libel or slander if it oversteps the line. Would they be using the exact same words if they had to leave their full name and the area where they live?

As a see it, Ms Mensch was not defending Mr Murdoch per se but pointing out that the committee had not followed the proper procedure before pronouncing Rupert Murdoch "unfit" to run a media empire - a judgement that immediately made most, if not all, major newspapers and radio bulletins the next day. His newspapers may have done very, very serious crimes - phone hacking, buying and selling information, etc but Ms Mensch was not addressing those issues. As I see it, I doubt that there would have been as much personally directed abuse if Ms Mensch's point had been made by a 70 year old male MP.

NunOnTheRun · 04/05/2012 17:16

Louise Mensch Twitter trolls face prosecution, says police chief

Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/politics/46631/louise-mensch-twitter-trolls-face-prosecution-says-police-chief#ixzz1tuzy27Bw

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 17:04

Oh hold on I reread it I understand now!

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 17:04

I don't understand your first para there abs?

So if women do the same as men and get the same donations and stuff isn't that good?

Is this in the US?

AbsofAwesomeness · 04/05/2012 17:00

There was an article in the Economist about women in politics, and that actually women who run for office do no better than male politicians, they get the same amount of donations, get the same amount of votes. They then went on to wonder why women don't run ...

Now we know the answer

For me personally, I would never ever consider going into politics, particularly as a woman. You're opening yourself up to so much scrutiny and unjustified abuse, as has been shown here.

I do applaud Louise Mensch for not shirking on this, and publicising the abuse. Name and shame.

catsareevil · 04/05/2012 16:11

I think that she has said herself that the books arent good, so maybe she wanted to dissociate herself from that a bit by using a different name?

grimbletart · 04/05/2012 16:09

I doubt things will change for probably a hundred years without quotas but on a purely personal level I would never ever want to benefit from them and glad I haven't (even though men have benefited from them for the past couple of millennia Grin).

Lottapianos · 04/05/2012 15:41

SardineQueen, I didn't think you were bossing me about! Sorry if I sounded snippy Smile

I have reservations about the idea of quotas but at the same time, I can't see how things are supposed to ever change without them.

I'm a proud Londoner and I'm steeling myself for a Boris coronation this evening. This is the man who, according to GLA member and fellow Mayoral candidate Jenny Jones, is so foul and sexist and rude and offensive to female colleagues, that they have put in a cross-party formal complaint about him. I absolutely despair. It seems like sexism is being taken less seriously over time, even in these days when there seems to be more of it around than ever. I guess all we can do is keep shouting about it and refusing to just take it, and for that I have to say that I do grudgingly admire Louise Mensch. However, I still cannot for the life of me understand why a woman who used her name to sell shedloads of books and make a fortune, decides to give up said name and change it for her husband's name - an unfeminist POV maybe, but what can I say, it pees me off Confused

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WorriedBetty · 04/05/2012 15:37

Worst thing about LM is that she isn't that bright or effective, but valued because of her looks -a lose-lose if you ask me! Grin

I don't think its a coincidence that all the Conservatives on the panel LM included, did not accept the 'not fit' accusation.

I can see their point - too harsh a criticism - that he is 'unfit' despite having (rightly or wrongly, corruption or no corruption) done quite a lot that is astonishing .. (mind you I suppose gadaffi, hitler, geghis khan, Trump could be in that category! ) could lead to people defending him where they might not.

BasilEatsFoulEggs · 04/05/2012 14:06

Oh Louise Mensch is perfectly ghastly. But she has a right to express her ghastliness without being threatened with violence, sexual or otherwise and without sexualised insults about what an ugly tart she is or whatever these tossers go in for nowadays, from people with penises who look like fucking gargoyles themselves, who feel entitled to reduce womento merely what they look like or whether they'd like to shag them or not. Yuk.

catsareevil · 04/05/2012 13:55

No, I don't think so, nor make any sexist comments as far as I am aware.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 13:54

Does she threaten to smash their faces in with a hammer?

catsareevil · 04/05/2012 13:54

Louise Mensch isnt above insulting others who dont agree with her...

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 13:53

I didn't answer my own hypothetical question though!

In that situation I think I would have to abstain.

Fortunately there are always more than 2 choices!!!

BasilEatsFoulEggs · 04/05/2012 13:53

I think quotas are a necessity.

Men have had quotas for years; 100% male only shortlists. Because of that, women aren't competing on an even playing field. We simply have to level it.

No-one's going to tell me that that would lower the quality of candidates and have me believe them. I do not believ that women are on average less capable and competent than men. I also don't believe that it's possible to get a female candidate who is going to be even more of a nobber than some of the men who stand for councils and parliament, like this particular nobber. Nobody has said about this nobber: "the reason he has made such a crass and woman-hating remark, is because he is a man, this proves that we need to make sure we're more careful about what men we let in to the candidate lists".

Men are allowed to make mistakes, people will take a risk on a man. Quotas would ensure that women are treated the same way.

grimbletart · 04/05/2012 13:51

Even if a tory in the local elections was saying things that I agreed with I'd not put an X next to them.

Sounds like you are a victim of conditioning Sardine Grin especially if the Labour candidate was a misogynist knob - are you really sure you would vote for him simply because he is not a wicked Tory but only a misogynistic twit? Not sure how that would help women.......

Personally, I quite often vote for a different party member at the local elections than at the general election - on the basis that they have done a good job for the community and especially if they are not what I call a knee-jerk politician i.e. my party right or wrong.

MrsBethel · 04/05/2012 13:48

What is this, the 1980s?

I suppose it's handy that some of the dickheads out there choose to advertise their dickhead-ness so clearly via Twitter. What a bunch of f&%ing s%$&:!ds.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 13:46

Yes and I totally get that.

I have been persuaded though that by doing that, women will never gain equal representation.

TBH I have always voted on party political lines rather than on the person - I have no idea what my local tories policies, aims and ideas are for our borough. Even if a tory in the local elections was saying things that I agreed with I'd not put an X next to them.

What about quotas? Anyone think those are a good idea?

grimbletart · 04/05/2012 13:43

I would always vote for the person on the basis of their policies, aims and ideas.

I would never ever vote for a person on the basis of their sex and I have been a feminist since my childhood.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 13:17

Grin it's an idea not a direction!

I did it yesterday and put a woman at the top followed by the candidate i wanted.

I don't think I could bring myself to vote tory either.

But - and again an idea not a direction! - what if the choice was between a tory woman who seemed to care about and understand things that matter to women, and a leftie man who seemed to be a sexist? Imagine there are no other options... What then?

Lottapianos · 04/05/2012 13:06

SardineQueen, that is a really interesting question and I can see where someone might be coming from with the suggestion that we should vote for women over men every time with the intention of getting more women to the top. It would be a wonderful thing to watch PMQs, Question Time or similar and see equal numbers of male and female faces and to feel that women were being represented more fairly, at least by number.

However, I'm with trishawisha in that I could never imagine voting Tory under any circumstances. I think it's perfectly possible for a woman MP (or PM for that matter!) to be just as destructive as a male MP and that sadly, not all women have a sense of solidarity with other women.

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startail · 04/05/2012 13:02

What struck me as ironic is the photo's alongside the article.

Almost all female celebs, several of them in bikinis. One discussing looking sexy when pregnant.

Utterly inappropriate to the main article.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 12:40

trisha I have never voted tory either!

I just don't see how we're ever going to get women's interests on the agenda when everything is run by men though.

OrmIrian · 04/05/2012 12:14

It's almost a default reaction to a women voicing an unpopular opinion - the violent, mysogynistic language.

OrmIrian · 04/05/2012 12:13

It's shameful, totally shameful!

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