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Yet 'more' internet sexism - Louise Mensch sexist abuse on Twitter

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Lottapianos · 03/05/2012 13:08

here

So sorry for Daily Fail link but I felt this story needed sharing.

Now I am no fan of Louise Mensch - I think she's a muppet for all sorts of reasons and her refusal to endorse any anti-Murdoch findings by the select committee she sat on was just about laughable.

However, this is yet another example of how commonplace it is to hurl sexist abuse at women who you don't agree with or whose views you dispute. It's nowhere near as vitriolic as the vile things that were tweeted about Ched Evans' rape victim, but to me the mindset is the same - don't like something a woman says/does, use it as an excuse to ridicule her for sharing her opinions/actions in the first place.

I'm just sick and tired of all this - some people are so hateful and it's exhausting Sad

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BasilEatsFoulEggs · 04/05/2012 21:36

Exactly.

Grin
catsareevil · 04/05/2012 21:29

No, I haven't. Hmm

BasilEatsFoulEggs · 04/05/2012 21:28

Unlike the irritated misogynists

BasilEatsFoulEggs · 04/05/2012 21:28

Yes but presumably catsareevil, you have expressed your irritation with her, by mentioning how irritating she is/ what nonsense she speaks etc., rather than by commenting on her cunt or face?

So in fact you are motivated only by your irritation and not by irritation plus misogyny?

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 21:26

That is kind of the crux, or gist, as it were.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 21:26

Hmm yes but have you sent her a message saying you want to hit her in the face with a hammer?

catsareevil · 04/05/2012 21:23

I said that I thought generally that it was both.
I know that for me personally it is because I find her annoying, not because she is female. I was initially impressed with her, but the more I have heard her speak the less impressed I have been.

grimbletart · 04/05/2012 21:19

catsareevil Do you honestly think that people are merely irritated with Mensch and expressing it in sexist language because of their irritation rather than because she is female?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17936006

I'm not sure that irritation with a male would involved the worlds "bitch", "slut", "whore" etc.

Even the male Chief Constable of Cumbria (and police forces are not particularly known for their female-friendly attitudes) said: "I have read the comments made about Louise and it is sexist bigotry at its worst."

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 21:00

What has been said on twitter to the male tories on the panel thingy who would not sign up to the piece about "fit and proper"?

Has anyone said they want to smash their faces in with a hammer, or talked about whether they would fuck them or not?

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 20:59

Um no

I don't think she would be receiving these comments if she were not a high profile politician who a lot of people don't like

I also think that if she were exactly the same person but a man she would not be receiving these comments

She is getting them because she is a high profile female and people think it is OK to say this stuff. When high profile women "step out of line" in the view of some men, they react in a way that is very different to how they would react to the same coming from a man.

catsareevil · 04/05/2012 20:54

What I mean is that Louise Mensch is (IMO) an exceptionally irritating individual.
I think that people may be irritated with her because she is annoying, but express this (wrongly) by resorting to sexist language.
On the other hand, I get the impression from your posts that you feel that people are mainly annoyed because she is female.
There is probably an element of both at play here.

The fact that sexist language is used doesnt mean that sexism is necessarily the reason for the opinion.

JuliaScurr · 04/05/2012 20:52

We need policies and women elected to impplement them. The only way to get that is to join soomething useable, get involved in making policy and try to get selected as a candidate. Both much easier in a group of likeminded women.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 20:45

"I think that there is a difference between saying that the insults are directed at her because she is female, and noting that they make reference to her being female."

What does this even mean??? Can you give an example?

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 20:44

There are a few people on here who have said "I hate this woman and she deserves everything she gets and she is vain and thick and blah" and then in tiny letters (of course I don't approve of sexism).

Pathetic.

catsareevil · 04/05/2012 19:43

I think that there is a difference between saying that the insults are directed at her because she is female, and noting that they make reference to her being female.
I think that the main cause is as Marysbeard stated, though it is unacceptable if people are turning to threats and sexist abuse in response.

BasilEatsFoulEggs · 04/05/2012 19:40

But we're not talking about the normal insults, we're talking about the ones that are directed at her purely and simply because she is female

MarysBeard · 04/05/2012 19:40

The "fit and proper person" amendment was tabled on 27th March, Mensch failed to complain about this until 1st May.

MarysBeard · 04/05/2012 19:38

She has also made the mistake of TALKING A LOT OF TOSS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS and BEING A MURDOCH APOLOGIST. She just won "Hero of The Week" in the Sun FFS. I wonder why? I think sexual or otherwise personal insults and horrible but you are allowed to generally criticise what people say and do. The vast majority of tweets were not personal, there are some idiots on Twitter but you just don't follow them.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 19:01

She has made the mistake of being female in public.

And on top of that being good looking, and confident. How dare she.

Will women never learn?

grimbletart · 04/05/2012 18:21

This isn't the first time Mensch has been targeted of course...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17671424

kipperandtiger · 04/05/2012 17:47

Thank you grimbletart.

Just noticed one of the quotes "I'd like to hit [Mensch] in the face with a hammer" - that quote is beyond slander/libel, that's actually intimidation/threat of physical violence.

grimbletart · 04/05/2012 17:37

My understanding is the same as kipperandtiger's - the conclusions about the Murdochs was actually outside the remit of the committee, according to its rules of procedure. If it had been within the remit of the committee then evidence would have been required specifically about the Murdoch's fitness to run "a global business", rather than simply about hacking and the Murdochs' role in it (which was of course only established as the hearing went on, not prior to it).

I think that the Labour members and the Liberal member who signed up to the statement about the Murdoch's unfitness were airing their anger and disgust about the Murdochs (which is understandable) but they were not acting within the remit of the committee by doing so.

AbsofAwesomeness · 04/05/2012 17:33

Here it is

This in particular " Plenty of research shows that women who stand for election do just as well as their male counterparts: they raise as much money, scoop up as many votes and are no less likely to win. The problem, according to a recent study and survey by Jennifer Lawless of American University and Richard Fox of Loyola Marymount University, is that so few choose to run. Even though a record number are running for the Senate, women are competing in fewer than a third of congressional races this year."

jjkm · 04/05/2012 17:32

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AbsofAwesomeness · 04/05/2012 17:31

It was in reference to the US elections. They've found that women candidates get the same level of donations etc. and are voted in

Will try and dig up the article.

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