Case for The Disney Princess (light hearted)

PS, is it shameful for me to add that I own most of the Disney Princess soundtracks? Yes?

Ahh, I can't wait for Brave... Would be the first female centric Pixar film, IIRC. DS has alread declared it looks "cool"... May be onto a winner...

I never thought the day would come, but now my dd is over two the princess thing is getting unavoidable.
We saw Tangled with her older cousin. I agree with you that Rapunzel is brave and resourceful. This is good.
But, I agree with Frothy about her "needing" Flynn to do all this stuff. Plus, the whole thing about it being her evil mother/kidnapper was too much of the old school witch thing for my liking. They broke one stereotype but kept the other.

I've seen the trailer for Brave about a zillion times. It looks like it might be good, however, I am not getting my hopes up.

This is our favourite version of Rapunzel.

But but but... It's still played as Tiana needs Naveen to actually stand a chance of getting that place... And a male crocodile makes it possible...

As for Rapunzel... If it hadn't been for Flynn, she'd never have left the tower. Ever...

Well, Studio Ghibli, derail much, but now we're talking! My Neighbour Tutoro is is very best, and Spirited Away was so good too. Ach, they are all good and some are very sad and poignant but I wouldn't stop my children from watching them (though the youngest is 10).

And if you think about it, rapunzel repeatedly saves flynn... In the flooded cave. Then healing his hand, then again when he is dying, and generally speaking saves him from a life of crime!

Japanese kids films such as those by studio ghibli are heaving with strong interesting female lead characters, cf spirited away, my neighbour totoro etc etc

Matilda. All those hours spent in the library. And the Musical is fab. Those girls deserved every accolade accorded to them.

Loved Mulan, though prince involved.

That's the thing with Disney. Always with the Prince, who rescues.

I love Enchanted. The bit about the animals cleaning up the place was priceless.

Re princess and the frog... You're remembering it wrong, the crocodile intimidated the land agents (?) into selling the lease to tiana

I've just come back from Orlando where we queued for over an hour to see Rapunzel. She does stuff, not just looks pretty like paint, sing, hit people with frying pans ie not total wimp who brushes up after dwarves. Yay! And Tiana - girl with A Plan who saved pocket money to buy a business -fantastic!

TBF, Enchanted is such a self parody, that it's a forgivable favourite in my books...

Oh my god... Portrait of a Princess is brilliant...

Has anyone seen Portrait of a Princess? It is so funny (but not in a Disney way!)

Hint - don't let the kids watch

www.portraitofaprincess.com/

Megara - how could I have forgotten her? My best friend's DD says that she reminds her of me. I wish.

I quite like Giselle too... The shame.

Re tiana... She would have, but not the restaurant she wanted... The estate agents had already signed up the deeds to someone else, because they believed a "young lady" wasn't financially viable to run a business...

LOVE your description of Pocahontas, btw...

Megara (Hercules)... My favourite female from Disney... Walks around, acting as a femme fatale, in search of her midriff which she lost when she sold her soul to Hades... Oh, nd gets herself into trouble, and needs saving by a big, strong man... I still love that film, though...

Although, I loved Giselle from Enchanted

Rapunzel is great. Love that film. Much more than DD (4.5) does.

As for what they do:

Snow White - housework.
Cinderella - housework.
Aurora - unsure. Bit of housework and prancing about in forest with a basket?
Jasmine - tends to a tiger?
Pocahontas - bends history to the point it screams in pain.
Mulan - kicks arse.
Ariel - my least favourite because I loathe the original story. She sings.
Belle - bit selfless for my liking but hey...
Tiana - works her backside off to achieve her goal with/without Prince. I think she'd have got it without him.
Rapunzel - brave and resourceful.

Is that all of them? My mother calls them "those silly women" and I vowed they would have no place in DD's life. We have all the videos and more merchandise than you would think possible.

I know he was broke at the time, but reconciled with his parents after marrying Tiana. But either way, Tiana was unable to get the business as a single woman. Once married, with a man by her side (and crocodile behind the estate agents...) the business became achievable.

I thought Tiana's prince was broke? She worked 2 jobs to save the money to buy the restaurant?

Rapunzel did bloody well considering the toxic (fake) mother whose chief weapons were emotional blackmail and manipulation. She also found non-violent solutions to volatile situations (as well as kicking ass with the frying pan).

But... Tiana could only start her own business after getting her Prince, so was still financially dependent on a man.

And Belle ended up with an abusive type (full marks on "Would Pat Craven call him a Dominator" test...)

And as great as Rapunzel is, she still relied on Flynn to give her the push from the tower. And her weapon was a frying pan ffs...

Do I get my medal for overthinking this, now?

Agree Mulan is good. Not seen Tiana as kids a bit past that stage now. I quite like Belle actually, reads books & isn't brow-beaten by Gaston.

I like the fact that it's your DS who is into them, OP. Encouraging him to see women as good and interesting (rather than 'Yuk, gurls!!') is positive, surely.

The new Pixar film Brave sounds like it will be good on this score. Female protagonist.

This one could be a contender for a decent 'princess' role model.

Mind you, I strongly doubt the influence of Disney on a little girl whose parents encourage her to think about and question the world.

Mulan is the best.

Mulan is good; a princess who kicks ass.

Tiana is strong too and independent.