New Trans thread as requested by HQs.

But in actual fact my girls went to Brownies wearing a uniform, which was brown and yellow and (good goddess) they both choose the trousers.

Why do girls/women get a choice of clothing but boys/men do not. Please don't quote me the kilt. That's another thing altogether.

However, if my son had wanted to go to a fancy dressed party dressed as a ballerina I would have said yes. Because I would have said yes to my daughters if they had wanted to dress up as pirates.

Cricket? Crikey!

But seriously, how wonderful of you to pop by and er, share your wisdom to silence debate. I'm really very grateful to you for saving us all from worrying.

You are without doubt the most eloquent and insightful poster around.

Well done you.

Cricket. I thought it would mnhq that shut down the trans debate, but apparently not. Just a random poster with something incomprehensible about pink shoes....

Scratchy, love. I think you are out of your depth.

Are you on a different thread? Cos you're making feck all sense on this one.

Deliberate derailing troll?

Calm down? Er, okay.

No evidence that I'm at all aeriated, tbh, just a bit baffled, sorry if that disappoints you? but maybe that was the intention... my apologies for trying to work whether you were making a sensible point. I won't be fretting about it, you needn't worry your little head.

I suppose it would be faintly preferable if you were being deliberately pointless, to you just not making sense, or being out of your depth...

I put my girlies into brownies wearing jeans and a 't' shirt. They also had blue, heavens!, blue trainers.

How where they both not taken from me by social services? Thankful to have missed that. PHEW!

I think hully and mad need to calm down, 'dear'.

mad - i don't think you should take dear scratchy entirely at face value.

Apols for completely not getting the boys in pink shoes going to guides point.

Clearly (I think) you are saying that boys in pink shoes and going to guides should be fine, but it is not? Because society delineates by gender? And more so if you happen to be male?

I don't think that's especially true, tbh, but it is in the pink or blue shoes instance. And the access to scouting or guiding instance. Girls in those two particular cases have way more choice available.

I don't think it holds true for most of the rest of life, but I'm not sure I'm up to a direct societal comparison of the freedom or strictures of masculinity versus femininity to work out who has it better or worse. Entirely subjective anyway.

But I do agree if what you meant was simply that gendering behaviour ( do I want to wear pink shoes) is wrong.

Given that I'm over 40, I know how much more gendered some aspects of society have become over the last 20-30 years, whilst theoretically society has become more equal.

But if we're just agreeing that gendering behaviour is wrong, then, um, yeah.

yes dear

righty-oh lovely

Hey listen girls, we can all be respectful of others, we can all see each others viewpoint.

garlic. I love the smell of garlic in the morning, noon, night. Wonderful name.

I've got myself some garlic chives which I'm looking forward to eating from my home plot. As well as the glut of garlic I produce each year, that others are grateful for.

Blimey!

Hiding thread now. Launch incomprehensibly random attacks at yourself, scratch.

uAnd it isn't witty either. You are not being urbane, thoughtful, respectful of others.

Never mind I'll never report this post, it's civilised and thoughtful. It's ace. Yozzza.

Hully

It seems repetition is necessary, scratchy.

Garlic, last post, 20:46: Just an idle thought, btw, not a 'point'.

I reserve my right to think on screen

You aren't trying to pick a fight are you scratch?

um

as before

Sorry garlic and hully , you point being is what exactly? Apart from Northern bias and genderqueer bias

I don't have a point, btw.

Just a wee jokette

Isn't David from sarf Lonnon?

Sorry garlic and hully , you point being is what exactly? Apart from Northern bias and genderqueer bias

I blame David Bowie.

While fondly taking the piss out of myself, I'm considering that gender fluidity was actually fashionable as well as 'right-on' ('PC' not having been invented) in the 70s and 80s. Broadly speaking. I wonder whether attitudes on this thread could be divided between those whose formative years were in the 70s and others?

Just an idle thought, btw, not a 'point'.

I see what it says about society now, but it still shocks me. There was much less of this gendering of children malarkey when I were a lass. Waste o' time, I tell 'ee! Sometimes I think we're going backards as much as forrards. Nowt wrong wi' rainbow dungarees for boys and girls, elves and pixies, black, brown or beige. Practical for the tree climbing, see.