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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New Trans thread as requested by HQs.

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oilfilledlamp · 17/04/2012 22:49

Please forgive the intrusion but I've been out tonight and only recently got back. I wanted to respond to MadWomanintheattic earlier when she posted

"If I were an mtf trans (pre op or post op) the last place I'd want to fetch up is in a women's refuge, because of the potential for making other people feel ill at ease. But nothing is clear cut, really.

How often does this happen, really? Has there been any research into prevalence and motivation?

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madwomanintheattic · 17/04/2012 23:08

Thanks, oil, will have a look.

oilfilledlamp · 17/04/2012 23:08

It's troubling I agree. I know a case of a man who raped and killed women but when in prison demanded a sex change (on the NHS). Then she demanded to be sent to a women's prison, as was her right. While there, her life was so bad, because of her status, that she demanded that the sex change be reverse (again on the NHS) so that she who wanted to be a he, be sent back to a male prison.

At a huge cost to the NHS and the Prison Service.

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Pan · 17/04/2012 23:05

I don't think it's "approved threads" tbh, it's the posts that break Talk Guidelines. I think MNHQ have been particularly noticing on this issue because of the multi-threads on it and some of the insulting/unlawful postings.

Nyac · 17/04/2012 23:04

JB quotes a transphobic judge in that article:

"The Equal Opportunities Commission, your best friend if you are a man wanting to get into nightclubs free on Ladies' Nights, has a lot to learn from this. Last summer, it supported the case of five male to female transsexuals, only one of whom had disposed of his meat and two veg, on the grounds of sex discrimination after a pub landlord objected to one of them using the women's toilets. The claim was rejected, with the judge stating that although he accepted the claimants' wish to regard themselves as women, a person's wish "doesn't determine what he is"."

He would be in direct contravention of the Gender Recognition Act and the Equalities Act now, because legally a person's wish is exactly what determines what they are.

Nyac · 17/04/2012 23:02

Oh I started a thread about it and they deleted it. And then someone else started another one over its remains which seemed to prove popular. But there are approved trans threads now are there? How interesting. Mumsnet doesn't normally get this much involved in what goes on on their boards.

I think the issue for women is that the meaning and reality of woman has been changed right under our noses with barely a murmur. Nobody knows the full ramifications of the laws that have been passed yet - but rapists with their pensises intact inside women's prisons is one.

Or the fact that we now have to call people with penises women, if they demand it, and it's us who are the "bigots" if we refuse.

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