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Erin Pizzey's work with Refuges

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ParsleyTheLioness · 10/04/2012 08:40

Talking about this on the Relationships board. Does anyone remember this woman from the 60's/70's who set up an early(?) refuge? Are her work and writings still valid today, or discredited at all, anyone have any knowledge? I may not be spelling correctly.

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SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:46

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AnyFucker · 11/04/2012 23:46

Virtually every post on that thread said that she was wrong to hit him. Do you think he was right to goad and torment a heavily pg woman ? Who do you think might have a physical advantage there ? Does that give you a clue to the idea behind violence against women being a gendered problem at all ?

Does it occur to you that the next step in that disordered relationship will be that he starts knocking her to the floor and saying "you started it". Who do you think "started it" ?

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:45

This section is called feminism/women's rights. I'm a woman and I have rights. It is not simply feminism.

InAnyOtherSoil · 11/04/2012 23:44

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Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:44

SigmundFraude who spends quite a lot of time in the Feminism section thinks this about Feminism:

"Feminism will destroy the family, it very nearly has."

Why would someone who thinks that about our movement spend so much time in this feminism section?

Open to the floor.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:43

I didn't misread anything.

Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:42

But clearly you don't if you think that a feminism is simply someone who says they're one.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:42

I didn't post on it because I didn't feel it appropriate given the kicking I got last time I voiced a dissenting view.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:40

I've read that blog Nyac. I know what feminism is.

Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:40

Your agenda slip is showing Sigmund.

Why are you hanging out in a Feminism section if you have such a poor view of it?

AnyFucker · 11/04/2012 23:39

Is that was this is about, Sigmund ? That thread ? Why didn't you post on it if you feel so strongly ?

It isn't true that all she got was what a wanker he was. You must have misread.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:39

Domestic violence is not overwhelmingly committed by men. I can link you to many articles stating that. Erin Pizzey is right. Feminism will destroy the family, it very nearly has.

Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:38

Sigmund, this blog might help:

finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/

Sorry for pushing you, when you clearly don't understand. That wasn't fair of me.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:36

Really? Only in the sense that it's self defence, or meaningless. The thread you were on earlier, the one where a woman hit her bloke. Admittedly, he was a twat, but her violence towards him was largely ignored. All she got was advice saying what a wanker he was. Double standards central. Really poor.

Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:36

Domestic violence is overwhelmingly committed by men - it is a male crime against women and girls. That doesn't mean that no women are violent, it just means that ignoring the gendered nature of DV will make it impossible to eradicate.

Pizzey is a victim blamer who says that women are responsible for the violence committed against them. She also hates feminists, so it's weird that you'd actually want her to be called a feminist. Do you think she'd thank you for claiming the label, when she's disavowed it.

Why I loathe feminism and believe it will ultimately destroy the family

Of course anti-feminists want people like Pizzey to be called a feminist, if feminism means nothing or means being anti-women then it can achieve nothing and will never defeat male power.

Now tell us why Wendy McElroy is a feminist.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:32

Because she says she is. I tried really hard then, is that ok?

AnyFucker · 11/04/2012 23:31

Who is saying, or has ever said, that women never commit violence against men ?

You are shadow-boxing, Sigmund.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:28

Baiting you? Do me a favour. Care to look at your last posts to me!

The subject of this thread, to get back to it, was Erin getting a kicking for truthfully pointing out that Dv is perpetrated by both genders. This apparently means she may not call herself a feminist, and I object to that.

Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:26

I thought we were here to talk about feminism. Are you just wanting to be insulting?

Go on. Tell us why Wendy McElroy is a feminist. You can do it. Just try really really hard.

AnyFucker · 11/04/2012 23:25

Sigmund, why do you keep trying to change the subject by baiting me ?

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:23

I'm working on it Nyac. Perhaps you could teach me how to exert mind control.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:21

AF, have you abandoned your post?

Nyac · 11/04/2012 23:21

Still not able to make an argument then SF.

Poor you.

solidgoldbrass · 11/04/2012 23:21

I have a bit of a problem with anyone who comes out with the 'I am a feminist but - ' type of stuff eg 'but men are naturally less monogamous than women' or 'women are far more caring than men that's why they don't want high salaries for working in nurseries and care homes, it's more of a vocation'.

That's partly because I think people who believe that sort of thing are thick whether they call themselves feminists or not.

SigmundFraude · 11/04/2012 23:19

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