"uni lad" and lad culture

And how is it that women who are drunk are seen as "gagging for it" and fair game, when in my day most blokes would have been a bit concerned for safety.

It seems that it has been reversed and where before most blokes did not see a barely conscious woman as a valid opportunity for sex, now they do?

It's just really upsetting.

After the pro-rape stuff on their website, they initially said they didn't see what was wrong with it and it only got taken down after the weight of feeling against it meant they had no choice.

I suspect their initial reaction was the true one - that they honestly don't see what is wrong with advocating rape.

The status yesterday reflected that attitude TBH. Although it didn't use the word "rape". It certainly said that women are simply cunts to be fucked and go out and get one and it doesn't matter how.

There don't seem to be rules about what you can say about women / inciting to violence etc in the same way as there are for other groups unfortunately.

The problem is that the majority of it isn't actually against the law, so it is difficult to get it offline.

Are Facebook allowed to have this awfulnes on the site? Why can''t we complain?

This is horrible. I would be horrified and incredibly angry if my son was ever saying anything like those boys - he is only 8 just now though.

It was like this at high school - I only finished in 2003. I am regularly sent emails about club nights with suggestive names, always with scantily clad girls on the front. It's horrible.

I was at university in the early eighties and it wasn't like this at all. None of my contemporaries made money from lapdancing or prostitution either, despite the horrific recession. Those clubs didn't exist in university towns and paying for sex hadn't been normalised. There were no tuition fees of course, but many of us survived on the most meagre grants because our (non contributing in many cases) parents earned over the threshold, so we all had to get crap evening and holiday jobs in an era that was years before the minimum wage regulations.

This has happened because of porn and the 'lads mag' culture hasn't it? That's why posters who were at uni from 1994 onwards are saying they faced similar experiences - and these little wankers were born into a society that had already normalised the sexual objectification of women.

I would be horrified if my dses grew up to have these attitudes.

I bet those boys don't air those views at home. I'll bet their parents think they are high achievers bound for glory. Those attitudes come from fear and ignorance: if you can't control something then belittle it.

Unfortunately it seems to be endemic in higher education. The Students' Union at my workplace ran a Meat a Fresher night (yes, that was the intended spelling), and its President thinks lapdancing is an acceptable occupation for female students.

I also don't want women to be held responsible for this.

But as many of us are mothers of boys, how do we feel about this with our own sons? I would be really upset if my son started behaving like this or if my daughter was exposed to it.

I think there are two ways of potentially dealing with this before they get to that age. The first has got to be about attitudes to women, and the second is learning that it is sometimes really important not to go with the herd.

Worked at? Work at! There's a subconscious slip

The university I worked at banned Lads Mags from being sold on campus - and it was the male student union chair who did it. He got a lot of stick and complaint often from female students who claimed there was nothing wrong with it . It stuck though - no mags.

Sure the blame lies with the men behaving in an obnoxious and sexist fashion, I'm not disputing that.

agree Flippinada.
I don't like this thing of blaming the mothers all the time.

I absolutely agree that women should feel able to speak up against this sort of thing without fear or favour, but please let's not fall into the trap of making women responsible for 'managing' obnoxious male behaviour.

The blame lies squarely with the men who are propagating it.

It's a pity that more of the young women don't have your sort of backbone Vivian.
As Edmund Burke said
'The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men do nothing'

So if the good men are doing nothing and the women do likewise, then the situation will continue to deteriorate.

Josephine? With...? (Dying of suspense here )

note that not not that stupid iphone

Lad culture was rife when I was at Uni 1995-99 on a male dominated course. We were supposed to be ladettes and go along with it.

One of the first things I saw at University (1997) was all sorts of tshirt with 'feel a little fresher' during Freshers Fair. There seemed to be a competition amongst certain 3rd year men to 'bag' female Freshers. I remember having to deflect the attentions of one predatory male by saying I had to be friends with someone first!
What was annoying was the men that used to loiter around the all-girls hall. Not that this was a prestigious university which gives a lie to this sort of behviour being working class.

I don't think young lads spend enough time with