"uni lad" and lad culture

I see what you mean, Yonic, but men were somewhat encouraged to "sow their wild oats" throughout history, even when pre-marital sex was scandalous. Their virility was one aspect from which their masculinity was judged.

Now that measure within the tight confines of the traditional social rules has been taken away from them, and sexual norms have changed drastically...so lad culture may be one way of reverting back to that way of proving masculinity through hedonism.

Sorry, I know what you mean about traditional roles but I'm not sure lad culture wants to get back there - aren't traditional roles monogamous, sex after marriage type stuff, on the sex side?

I see. But throughout a lot of history, women of the working class, which was the majority of the population, worked too, though one parent or a grandparent would've had the children with them alongside work .

All those at uni now were born in the late 80s - they've never really been aware that rape in marriage wasn't a crime till 1991 etc - why would there be a backlash against how things have been their whole lives?

Ha, I've just realised my name has "lad" and "dad" in it. Nothing to do with this thread, I assure you!

Traditional male role - as in the men being the breadwinners, the men socially taking the upper hand in social situations (NOT lad culture, but a lot more dominating nevertheless), the men driving cultural change.

Traditional females - their social sphere being more centred around home and family life, and taking a submissive standpoint.

I'm arguing that as these social/economic roles have changed drastically, the retaliation is in the form of trying to keep the women sexually submissive in the form of lad culture.

What do you perceive as traditional male and female roles, lad?

Why has lad culture grown so exponentially in the last decade? I can accept that social media and porn has had its part to play, but its origins must have deeper roots within our culture to ensure its popularity.

I can only think that it's men (and some women) who are trying to re-assert a "masculine" element back into a society which is increasingly weakening the traditional male and female roles. Females can easily assert their femininity in this culture and be accepted for doing so (spa day, anyone?)...for men, it is more complex.

Lad culture has changed. A big part of that is that it is part of making money now. Club nights are advertised as 'pimps and hoes' fancy dress. I've seen porn used to advertise uni societies. This does change the experience of women at university where there is an expectation to be sexually available to the 'lads'.

Mraemiller
Amount of people isn't what's makes people an oppressed group. The majority of people in South Africa are black but they are still the oppressed group because the white population hold the wealth and power.
Same with women. Men hold the majority of the power and wealth in society and use it to oppress women.

Hi sj2222 you need to start your own thread I think, you'll have a better response.
Tbh hijacking this thread with a survey, (no matter how legit) looks like bad manners at best, a bit spammy at worst.
Good luck with it.

Why does everyone think facebook is the bee all and end all of the moral high ground: that somehow it's going to censure this, and take it down?

It was started by a disgruntled stalker guy in uni to post shit about his x girlfriend.

Facebook is a natural home for fuckwits posting shit about women.

These sad, emotionally stunted, spoiled young men are rudderless, overpaid, entitled, herd animals.

Economically they are pandered to as everyone wants the 20% extra they are paid (for just having a penis) as its all discretionary.

If women were paid the same as men we'd have equal consumer rights, until then, it's more profitable to market to the male herd, and allow these wankers to do and say whatever keeps the money rolling in.

It's a cynical economic strategy kept in place by the 'boy toy' consumer electronics / car industry who provide the click bait. They have these young men exactly where they want them: herd minded, low impulse control wankers, clicking on tits and ass, with a side dish of a.n.other DJ brand headphones.

Where are the dads? Where are their male role models?

I think it has Breaking. Not for the better though, sadly.

I think its kinda sad that nothing seems to have changed at universities in the two years since this thread was started.

I know my post is cross to say the least but I am so sick of women being put down and men doing what they want...it SUCKS and I am SICK of it.....!

I really hate men. They are all so crap! I just hate them and how rubbish they all are. Women just amaze me by how strong they are...while men are CRAP!

Sorry Temps, in my zeal to be a good woman and flutter at the manly man, I missed your eloquent post.

It is sad, isn't it?

Thanks for your thoughtful post, TempsPerdu.

AEM - BOOM!

ITs two of the greatest disappointments of mumsnet in my opinion

1. OP posts once or twice, loses their temper and disappears, and I was quite looking forward to seeing them roundly trounced by the women of FWR

2. you have a little look at the different threads, see one that's gone from 0 to 150+ in a matter of hours and think "that must be a good discussion" and it's some plonker reviving an old thread

(Also unhappy with threads that disappear when I'm mid read!!)

Scallops, I think he was suggesting that we were trying to censor him, by not immediately agreeing with his manly view. Because we should all have swooned at his amazingly well thought out prose, fluttered that he spared us time out from his terribly busy schedule and positively panted at his expressions of incredulity when he was challenged.

We are bad machines.

I am that bad that I am considering stealing Buffy's badge.

Was this thread even about censorship (in fact is any thread on FWR ever about censorship - they tend to be more about changing attitudes)

But at the fact that women aren't 'vulnerable' and we make up 50% of the population and that's why hate legislation doesn't apply. How much of a percentage of a population a group makes up has f all to do with hate legislation (whatever that may be). There is plenty of legislation that recognises how 'vulnerable' women are (equal pay act anyone). But it's always nice to be told our experiences and how we should feel about them, by a man.

And you don't seem to understand intersectionality. But I'll give you 6/10 for effort.

zombie

You'd like to think so given that it was only four letters long!!

Having said that I might be overestimating both spelling and counting ability

Oh no Buffy! I am wide eyed and simply agog with wonder at whatever Mr thingumy has to say about men who hate women. He seems to have such wide experience of the subject matter. I'm sure we'll learn a huge amount from him.