New left project: Is porn hijacking our sexuality?

Thing is, if you do n't want to do something, don't do it. But don't insist that anyone who does do it can't possibly be enjoying it coerced. And let's not blur the lines between ignore the wider context of a person woman being coerced into performing a sexual activity for a porn film and a person woman performing a sexual activity for a porn film which that person woman doesn't gain any immediate pleasure from, but is happy paid to act out as a performance.

Thank you for the links Widow and it made excellent reading (now in four parts, sorry for the pedantry).

I'm on Dines's side. LRD asked what is feminist porn? It's a ruse set up by the pornographic industry to distract from all the gonzo porn that is the mainstay. The industry/hegemony makes billions of the oiled backs of naked people pretending to enjoy sex. When it's just a job. You couldn't make it up.

Like we'd all watch a fly on the wall documentary about someone flipping burgers in a greasy spoon. They smile a lot and tell you in the toilet that it's just a job. Yeah! Real w*nking material that is.

Thing is, if you don't want to do something, don't do it. But don't insist that anyone who does do it can't possibly be enjoying it. And let's not blur the lines between a person being coerced into performing a sexual activity for a porn film and a person performing a sexual activity for a porn film which that person doesn't gain any immediate pleasure from, but is happy to act out as a performance.

I know that a lot of sex involves mental turn-ons as much as physical ones, but when there is NO physical enjoyment for any participant, it is ONLY psychological.
Taking the physical pleasure out of a blow-job (or the knowledge of giving physical pleasure) leaves just the dominant/submissive aspect. I find it quite disturbing to say the least.

if you get no pleasure from sucking a plastic phallus, heres an idea...dont!
but if you think all porn is patriachal or no women enjoy porn your simply dreaming.
maybe make a complaint to the masterbatory regulator (OFFTOSS).

as for worshiping the mighty god-cock, i think most porn actresses will laugh in your face.

I think Gail Dines is very shrewd and very thorough. She knows her stuff and she analyzes it well.

I just wanted to ask:

'Anyway, it's so obvious that porn is hijacking our sexuality. You only have to check out the relationships section. Porn is increasingly violent, feminist porn barely exists and is not hit upon, lesbian porn is a niche serving men mostly. Gay sex is a niche that is becoming increasingly marginalised. Mostly porn is about double penetration, double anal, multiple facials, and the obvious hurting of females.'

What is 'feminist porn'? I think that is an oxymoron.

And no, I'd rather no-one link to porn on this thread, if that's ok.

I love the idea that there is some reason that a women would enjoy sucking on a plastic dick that is nothing to do with patriarchy. Wonderful There must be nothing that can't be claimed left.

Sucking a strap on is awesomely pleasurable for a woman cos it is symbolic of penis worshipping, obviously.

And everyone knows laydeez just worship the mighty penis (especially lesbian feminist laydeez).

There is nothing patriarchal about porn depicting women sucking plastic penises. At all. No siree.

Crackedceiling: well, a (heterosexual)woman might want to suck a penis because doing so gives the man whos penis it is pleasure - many particular sexual activies are engaged in, not because they bring physical pleasure to the person doing them but because there is psychological sexual pleasure to be gained from giving a partner pleasure. This isn't to say that a sexual encounter should be 'all one way' but there's nothing wrong with taking turns to give and receive. And sucking a strap on, while there is no physical pleasure involved, can be fun to do as performance, roleplay, feeling transgressive, fantasy enactment, all that sort of thing.

Another Anna Span scene description (couldn't bring myself to watch another clip) was all about a man telling two 'barmaids' that he knew what women REALLY wanted in bed.

It's truly progressive stuff, this 'feminist' porn.

@widow "whilst porn admittedly is very problematic," You don't say why porn is problematic. Can you elucidate?

Why would women want to suck anything? We did that at our mother's breast or on our dummies. And that gave us pleasure but we gave it up before we went to school, though apologies to those who did this later?

Why would sucking anything in adulthood give us pleasure?

^ Was to SGB

Just looked at a trailer for one of Anna Span's films and there was a woman sucking another woman's strap-on.

Which woman is getting the pleasure here, and why?

Well at the moment (fecking dongle content lock) I can't post links to adult websites. I can advise you to look up the work of Anna Span and Petra Joy, if you want.

SGB said: "I've watched a lot of porn DVDs over the past 5 years and I have seen a variety of stuff, very very little of which featured 'the obvious hurting of females' as its main selling point. Most of what I watched showed people having fun and sometimes women having what looked like genuine orgasms. Some of the performers looked a bit bored sometimes, and some of the dialogue was unpleasant (and in all my reviewing I always made the case for stuff that looked like fun and sent the message that this is all about fun not hurting people in a non-consensual way), but most of it was just about all-round enjoyment."

Why don't you post links to this porn that brings you so much 'enjoyment'?

i thought it was relevent to the debate ...is it inappropriate?

What makes you think people are in the least bit interested in hearing about your porn habits? How on earth do you think that is appropriate?

I disagree totaly , but, i cannot speak for all men but i find double penitration, bukake etc not attall sexy i can honestly say it does nothing for me ,probobly like most men i find i click on the same couple of catagories of porn , for me it;s 'milfs' and 'hairy' ( hairy , like i have the fetish! it should be called 'normal') but the poster that said women over 30 are not prevelent and over 40 are defunct is totaly wrong, i think she would be very suprised.

as for califonia made porn by professionals with pneumatic silicone breasts, i can honestly say i would rather watch grass grow. i think that pornographers have no clue as to what constitutes erotica.

BDSM, well you either get it or you dont, it isnt for everyone, but let me say this, the submissive has the kink, tourture , you would assume is detrimental to the individual being tourturd, except within BDSM where the sub activily wants the pain or humiliation or whatever, you should not assume too many things about some of the violent types of porn out there , safe sane and consentual is there rule ( SSC )

@ Widow, seeing how you started this thread and all.

Facial 78,800,000
Feminist sex 38,300,000
Teen porn 205,000,000
MILTF 2,400,000
Elder sex 70,400,000"

You excluded this from your scientific paltry look at the google search I'd done.

Teen porn is pretty specific don't you think? Why did you exclude this? Facial I put in there because that's exactly a word that includes have your facial at this beauty salon. I didn't go for bukkake on that search deliberately. Big fail at the science . You bring to this thread your own preconceptions with nothing to back them up. Just to deliberately wind people up.

Huge fail.

rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/03/15/porn-part-11-the-difference-between-huffing-dong-and-flipping-burgers/

Hi SGB and Widow. Thank you for responding. But I feel that's all you do. Respond. Please show me figures that suggest that porn is wonderful, helpful to sexuality and all empowering. I'd like to see those figures. What did you make of elder sex, as opposed to MILTF? I was quite taken aback about that.

Take a look at the video on this post. I tried to put a link direct to youtube but you need to sign in before you do it.

Love hurts. As someone a man, once sang.