Disabled 'deserve' the joy of sex.

Those who are saying they know disabled people who are having active sex lives may want to reflect on this report from Disability Now.
www.disabilitynow.org.uk/living/features/sex-talking-for-ourselves/?searchterm=sex

It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel.

People with disabilities can of course feel what they like. But they can indeed be told what to do - the same as the rest of the population living under the laws of the land. People with disabilities have no more rights over a woman's body than anyone else and while I cannot claim to speak for all disabled people, I'm pretty sure I speak for anyone - disabled or otherwise - who believes that a woman's welfare is more important than anyone else's desire (not right) for sex.

Let me use another blanket statement then

I don't agree with the right of anybody to pay another person for sex

is that "blanket" enough ?

That tlc link is seriously disturbing

This thread has thrown up some very disabelist language and ideas akin to sexism and racism. Posters who are horrified that disabled people they know who would never use sex workers and therefore there is no market for such a service are making the simple mistake of thinking they know all about every single disabled person in the country. It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel. The independent living movement although not explicitly talking about sex does actively work towards each person being able to make decisions about their own lives, so if they choose to pay for sex, buy drugs, be racist it is there choice. Let us stop talking about disabled people like children by using blanket statements like it is patronising to disabled people, there are no disabled people their are people with impairments.

RF, I cannot see your point being demonstrated anywhere on this thread

People with a disability are being afforded the same amount of respect as the rest of the population they help to comprise. Lots of people have said the idea of sex workers purely for people with disabilities is at best patronising and divisive.

haven't you read all the thread ?

Reactionary.

They? You call people with disabilities "they" I notice.

There are people on this thread with disabilities.
The first boy I kissed was someone I met on the ward in a children's hospital and he most certainly had disabilities.
Please don't make assumptions about people on this thread. For some, "they" are "us".

ecclesvet - name me one job in Australia or the UK that carries the same degree of risk as prostitution for all those factors.

People with disabilities may not deserve sex, but they don't deserve being likened to the "plain ugly", the "lacking in the personality department" or indeed prisoners, either.
The concern here for the rights of women may be impeccable but let us try and be equally enlightened in our approach to others who get a rough deal from society too, eh?

Interesting this should come up on the same night that C4 are showing the undateables.

Just glad this sort of thing isn't happening over here. Australia is a strange country and the fact that prostitutes in whorehouses "good" brothels are amongst the top 10% of wage earners (source from a discovery programme) just makes me glad that I don't live there (sorry to any australians reading this).

"Sex for prostitutes carries the risk of death, serious injury, rape, sexual disease, loss of fertility and emotional harm. It is incomparable to any other line of 'work'"

Plenty of jobs have the risk of death, serious injury, and emotional harm. Not many with the sexual element to it, granted, but that seems an arbitrary line to draw.

Oh, I know, sunshine, you're right. Depressing, isn't it?

I'm glad you would OLKN. But I think you'd be in a minority. To give you an idea, you've only got to look at what happens to women who aren't sex workers when in court as victims of rape.

I also find this whole thing sends a terrible message about people with disabilities as well, sunshine.

How many people with disabilities even want to use prostitutes? My bet is a similar proportion to that of people without disabilities. Yet these people would tar all men with disabilities with the same brush (and it is usually men see earlier point about women with disabilities and their sexual desires never getting any airtime in this conversation).

Male entitlement is male entitlement irrespective of whether the male in question has a disability or not.

I would take the word of a prostitute in court.

people do get that a creme egg and a human female are different?

a right to chocolate and a right to stick your cock into another sentient being are rather different.

surprised by some of the posts on here.

Erm yes. Why do you think people pay you to do things?

I can't believe how unbelievably insulting this is to the vast majority of disabled people. Implying that the only way they could have sex is if someone is paid for it. Ugh!

Sex is not like selling any other skill or talent. I sell my abilities to my boss and in return I get paid. The most I suffer from my work is perhaps a bit of stiffness from sitting in a chair at my desk for too long. Even in a manual job there is legislation in place to minimise risk. Sex for prostitutes carries the risk of death, serious injury, rape, sexual disease, loss of fertility and emotional harm. It is incomparable to any other line of 'work' and no amount of legislation can counteract those risks.

STDs are not eradicated by using condoms. And how do you prove rape when 'consent' as a legal principle is established the minute the 'sex worker' takes the money? At that point she has pretty much lost any control she had to ensure her own safety as even though she might not want anal sex (for example) how is she going to prove that later? Who's going to take the word of a prostitute in court?

No one ever died or became ill from not having sex. No one suffers emotional trauma from not having sex either. Frustration yes, but then I'm frustrated that no one has seen fit to reward my hard work and intelligence with a six-figure salary either.

I am disgusted by this. Not only on behalf of exploited women the world over, but also on behalf of the many disabled people who feel that this will set back their cause to be seen as fully functional members of society.

omg

is it for real ?

"disabled people need helpers to make sure they won't lose an anal dildo up their arse" (paraphrased)

that nugget at the bottom of a very long list of "clinical" reasons why "Veronica" can help "Dave"

etc

That first link with the male sex worker says the services are for men.

Alice, is everything paid for co-erced? Do you co-erce your window cleaner or your child minder? Or do they say 'I can provide something you want, this is the price I charge, take it or leave it' .

Anyway, sorry not to answer any more challenges, I have to visit a popular flat-pack funiture outlet. Under heavy duress.

SardineQueen, I know - horrific, but I wonder if they lost the argument about something else and have written it all very badly. .

There are some interesting comments from a range of stances under the BBC article that I linked to previously, about the woman paying for sex.

How can you pay someone for sex and that not be coercive sex? The payment is the coercion. If you didn't need to be coerced you wouldn't be paid.

More than just one line, calming, the whole of that front page is just awful.

What the actual fuck at that TLC homepage? It must be a really poor joke, surely

calming I didn't say that there are no men in the world that offer these services. But that when this is discussed the focus is invariably on men with disabilities and female prostitutes.