Disabled 'deserve' the joy of sex.

Yea I kinda thought the womenz thing would get a reaction, my point was that the women acting as sex workers is an equal part of the story, to take Nyac suggestion further if women in oz were having sex with disabled men, and I see we are talking about men now I would just as equally say disabled women should be enjoying as much sex as they wish when they wish, then the need for prostitutes would not exist.

This brings it back to why are disabled people unable to find sexual partners, what and how do we need to change society to make that less of a problem.

Sunshine I am glad you took the time to look over those charters and documents. I am unsurprised to find no mention of right to sex as I know perfectly well what they say, that is why again unless you stop saying I said disabled people have a right I am going to report you. In this thread I have been very clear I have never said a right to sex exists. I have spoken about a right to a sex life which most people would consider a different thing. One being an act the other being part of someone's experience of life.

Smells again I have not posted one word about health risks of having or not having sex. Even the quote of mine you used has no reference to health, I would though draw your attention to something often spoke of on these boards and that is the effect on mental health that being perceived as less attractive successful, desirable as a women has on individuals. I would think but do not know of any research that would show disabled people feel much the same about being subjected to the daily outward sexualisation of society knowing that they were not party to it.

Leith, back to the original point.

Men paying women to have sex with them even though they don't want to is the problem here

if you are pro-prostitution please make that clear, then you can stop twisting people's words and we can debate that issue properly

Leith, I'm baffled as to why you keep bringing up the 'rights' of disabled people to break the law or act in a morally repugnant way if they choose. Of course they can choose to act illegally or immorally, as can anyone. But sometimes their disabilities may prevent them from doing so. Are you seriously suggesting that in the interests of equality, disabled people should get assistance committing crimes or behaving immorally if they cannot do so unassisted.

I lack a penis, so I cannot commit rape. Should I demand that the State provide me with a strap on to allow me to commit rape if I choose, in the interests of sexual equality?

What a bizarre argument!

Or maybe wheel the elderly infirm paedophile down to the play park to have his pick now he can't walk there.

I know little about the independent living movement, but I would hope they would not fight for the right of a racist person with a disability to have a black person beaten up by proxy. Because the fact they can't beat them up themselves is a breach of their human rights.

Ridiculous.

I don't think anybody said that disabled men didn't want to use prostituted women. Disabled punters I'm sure can be as woman hating as the next able bodied punter.

This thread however is about tax payers' money in Australia being used to fund disabled men having access to prostituted women. If you disagree with that proposal, then we're all on the same page.

This is your whole post

This thread has thrown up some very disabelist language and ideas akin to sexism and racism. Posters who are horrified that disabled people they know who would never use sex workers and therefore there is no market for such a service are making the simple mistake of thinking they know all about every single disabled person in the country. It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel. The independent living movement although not explicitly talking about sex does actively work towards each person being able to make decisions about their own lives, so if they choose to pay for sex, buy drugs, be racist it is there choice. Let us stop talking about disabled people like children by using blanket statements like it is patronising to disabled people, there are no disabled people their are people with impairments.

Apropos of nothing as far as I can see
And then the talk about how people with disabilities need to be assisted if they choose to break the law, so that they have equality.
Rubbish.

"No egg what is derailment is to rant on about disabled people having prostitutes paid to have sex with them but not address the reason why disabled people need to have this done. "

Disabled people don't need to have this done.
Nor do non disabled people.
HTH.

" It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel. The independent living movement although not explicitly talking about sex does actively work towards each person being able to make decisions about their own lives, so if they choose to pay for sex, buy drugs, be racist it is there choice. Let us stop talking about disabled people like children by using blanket statements like it is patronising to disabled people, there are no disabled people their are people with impairments."

This is what I originally Said NYAC, now reading it carefully you are right I never said disabled men should be have prostitutes, or that disabled men can only get any by having sex with prostitutes, I was and have always been saying that the assumption that all disabled people will not want to use prostitutes is wrong. Also as bad as it is if any disabled person wanted to commits any crime then that should be there choice. If women can choose to act like men, or act in any way they want then the same should apply for people with impairments. Obviously they would not or should not be able to coerce anyone in to anything, but by the same token women should not shoplift, men should not rob banks with shotguns.

Leith, I don't think that "disabled people need to have this done"

wf are you talking about ?

I can't see anything in the Social Model or the UN Convention that says anyone (disabled or otherwise) has a right to sex with prostitutes.

They talk about how society needs to adapt its attitudes and behaviour toward those with disabilities so that they are not denied opportunities or rights, but that does not extend to the opportunity to behave in an illegal fashion and there is no 'right' to sex.

Wow, Leith, way to lose any credibility on the feminist board!! Womenz? ROFL!!

Yes let's ignore sexually exploited women in the Feminist section. Good one!

Because the rights of a man (disabled or not) to stick their cock in a woman, always trumps any harm that might be done to her.

No egg what is derailment is to rant on about disabled people having prostitutes paid to have sex with them but not address the reason why disabled people need to have this done.

You and others might want to only go on about poor womenz, but sometimes the problems are bigger than just the women.

Have I misread your posts LeithLurker. Aren't you advocating that disabled men who want them should be provided with prostituted women to use for sex.

Wasn't Ricky Tomlinson good looking in his youth ? Blimey.

Yes I have read the entire thread so what? I was posting what I thought was a perfectly legitimate point of view based on what had been said before, the fact it relates not to the paying of prostitutes in OZ, or as Nyac would seem to infer my desire to allow women to be raped for money, which unless she can show me where or how I said and implied that I will report her for. Then I am afraid my postings are very much to the point.

I can use the :
Social Model of Disability
The Medicle model of Disability
The DWP model of Disability
The UN convention of Human rights model of disability, which would you prefer Sardine?

I did not and again until you show me exactly where I did say, disabled people should commits crime, or that they have a right to commits crime. I said they should not have any barriers to doing so as it would be there choice, they would be responsible, and they would be punished just like any one else irrespective of their disability.

Infuriating.

It's just common or garden Derailment, innit

I'm not a willing volunteer.

I don't think disabled men have a right to sex any more than non-disabled men do.

It's you who is advocating vulnerable prostituted women to be used in this way, so I think you should put your own body on the line, not theirs, if this is that important to you.

Your suggestion that Nyac go and have sex with people she doesn't want to have sex with is extraordinarily offensive.

feel free sunshine :)

Nyac if you would be a willing volunteer then I am sure I can put you in touch with the nearest independent living group to you and you could go talk to them. The fact that you may be in a minority of one would suggest is why your suggestion of a band of sex volunteers would not work, but just a thought since all volunteers are entitled to expenses which I presume would come from the public purse how would this be different from using prostitutes.

If you find that offensive because I'm putting words in your mouth, consider what you are doing to SardineQueen.