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Something that's been bothering me

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mumwithdice · 01/04/2012 10:25

I've been doing a lot of reading lately and talking with DH about his work. He says that one difficulty he has is with women whom he knows to be capable and competent coming up to ask him to do really ridiculously simple things in breathy little-girl type voices (they put these voices on specifically). He tries to manage this by showing them how to do whatever it is not doing it for them. He has also had women try to avoid learning any technical things which are requirements for their jobs (opening zip files) by using the stereotype of women not being capable of techy stuff as a get-out clause.

So what bothers me? I suppose, really, I keep feeling that texts are telling me that women don't bear any responsibility for their actions because we live in a patriarchy. That is, that there is nothing wrong with the women above because they're trying to get by in the system. And yet at the same time, I feel that actions like that do a disservice to women who can and do want to do technical things because it only reinforces stereotypes.

So can women do a disservice to other women and thus to the aims of feminism?

I am genuinely asking because I don't know the answer, it really bothers me not to know, and because I've found this board quite good at answering questions. Also, again, if this is Feminism 101, please tell me and I will look it up there.

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AgnesCampbellMacPhail · 01/04/2012 11:10

They are performing their gender like women are supposed to.

Some women find it easier to survive in a destructive patriarchal society by performing what is expected of them. It's a survival tactic in a society that doesn't really value intelligent, educated, independent women.

I'd be interested in why so many women in that one work environment do this. I think you'll find that the level of sexual harassment, sex-based bullying and outright misogyny is pretty high against any woman who deviates from their socially-constructed gender role.

Nyac · 01/04/2012 11:10

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Nyac · 01/04/2012 11:05

I'm wondering why the way the women talk (breathy little girl voices) matters. If he's not imagining it that is.

Also I've come across loads of men who aren't technical and aren't interested in being so - but they aren't having a whole political movement used to bash them for it.

TheCrackFox · 01/04/2012 11:02

I guess all the men he works with are perfect and never do anything annoying?

Nyac · 01/04/2012 10:59

How funny you should talk about feminism and all your dh can think of is telling you about women he wants to criticise. Maybe he should cut it out.