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Adding DH surname to my passport

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marshmallowpies · 28/03/2012 11:42

Not sure this is the right section for this topic, but as a feminist would be interested to hear what others think...

I recently got married and didn't change my name - which DH was completely fine about.

I was talking to a married friend who also didn't name-change, and she said she regretted not putting her husband's name after hers on her passport, because she now has a DS and is about to take him abroad on her own for the first time - so may have extra faff at Customs as a result (i.e. of the 'why does this child not have your surname' variety')

I am expecting DD any day now AND my passport is due to expire shortly. If I do put DH's surname after mine on the passport, will it save me a lot of trouble in the long run? I have looked online for advice and some people seem to be saying a legal letter countersigned by husband is required to say 'I give permission for this woman to take my child abroad' or words to that effect, which leaves me a bit Hmm

Of course I appreciate it's for a serious reason, to prevent kidnapping and child abduction, so I'm tempted to go for the easy option and put both names on my passport. Does anyone know if there would be other implications, though - e.g. name on passport being slightly different to what's on my bank card/driving licence/bills, etc might cause trouble when trying to use the passport as ID?

The other option would be adding my surname as a middle name for DD, but we have 2 middle names picked out that we like already and I wouldn't want to drop one in favour of my very dull surname...

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rosy71 · 01/04/2012 17:26

I've worried about this a few times as my boys have dp's name so I am different. I wonder if it is just applied to anyone travelling with children on their own and the name thing comes up when they're different iyswim. After all, there are lots of situations where children and parents might have different surnames and lots of other countries (Iceland and Spain spring to mind) where children and parents have diffferent names generally. It strikes me as odd that children could have the same surname as grandparents, aunts and uncles so would travelling with them be fine whilst a mother with a different name needs permission. Perhaps the parents' names should be on a child's passport.

Andie20521 · 01/04/2012 14:51

I've officially kept my maiden name on my passport. DD has DH's surname.

I've travelled lots with DD (16 Mo) on my own, mostly to Europe and never had a single question asked about whether she is mine or if I have permission to take her away. I have also taken my niece and nephew abroad, (different name yet again) with no issues.

I could have just been lucky.

Has anyone been refused travel for not having a letter?

BrandyAlexander · 01/04/2012 14:34

OP, not sure you are aware but you can have your passport in both names. On the picture side (ie what everyone normally sees) you can have it as "First Name Middle Name Your Last Name" and on the other side of that page you have it endorsed so that it says "The holder of this passport as First Name Middle Name DH's Surname". It means it provides you with identification in both names and you can travel in either name. (Very important if the travel agent is a muppet Hmm) You do it on the bit of the form where it asks whether you have any special instructions (or something like that). Hope that helps.

marshmallowpies · 01/04/2012 10:43

victorialucas sorry, I don't know what cognitive dissonance is...

Yes it is more likely that I will take my children abroad on my own than DH will, but in any case the simplest solution seems to be taking a photocopy of the birth certificate with me (or with him, if its him travelling) so the problem is solved without anyone having to change names on passports or otherwise.

In any case the level of fuss made at border control seems to vary so much from country to country, I imagine the best thing to do is check for that country specifically before travelling.

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victorialucas · 01/04/2012 09:40

Don't you think it is more likely that you will take her abroad alone more often than DH? I think you've got some cognitive dissonance going on there.

chipmonkey · 31/03/2012 22:00

Am glad you clarified that you like Canadians marshmallows Wouldn't want to upset SGM, now would we?Grin

2 years ago, I travelled with ds2 and ds4 to the UK. My surname is my own, theirs is dh's. No issues whatsoever on entering the UK but on our return. to Ireland the garda on passport control adviised that next time I should bring their birth certs to ba able to prove I was their mother as our surnames were different. It did strike me as odd that according to that way of thinking that dh could bring his niece and nephew abroad and no-one would bat an eyelid.

I was also tempted to whip my breast out and start feeding ds4 there and then but just wanted to get home,

Nospringflower · 31/03/2012 11:05

Have travelled all over with my children with different names, from when they were weeks old to now oldest is 10) and noone has ever batted an eyelid. I have never taken birth certificates - can't see it being an issue and wouldn't think to worry about it Smile

jkklpu · 31/03/2012 10:59

It depends on the country - check www.fco.gov.uk/travel in good time before you travel: some places ask for written permission, some don't.

londonmackem · 31/03/2012 10:57

I have been stopped at the Eurostar terminal traveling back to the UK. My husband was actually with me so no problem but I would carry a letter of consent and my marriage certificate in the future. The reason I have a different name is not feminist though - I am just too tight to change my name on a passport I had only had a year!

sunshineandbooks · 31/03/2012 10:38

My DTs and I have a different surname. I've taken them through customs at various places throughout the world and never had a problem (I did have a letter of 'consent' from their father but never got asked for it).

ConstantlyCooking · 31/03/2012 10:20

I kept my name but the DCs have DH's. I have been stopped several times going through immigration, luckily DH has always been nearby. I think I am stopped because the DCs are mixed race and look like DH's family. They advised me to take copies of birth certificates so I can prove I am the mother.

marshmallowpies · 30/03/2012 11:34

Victoria and sam - Our names wouldn't double-barrel well, and as I said below, we have 2 middle names picked out for DD already (one long, one short) and to add another name in would give the poor child rather a chore every time she has to fill out a form or give her name over the phone. In fact if I am being strictly fair I would drop one of the middle names already but I like them both so much...

Re. giving the child my name only - if I did this, DH would presumably have the same issue if HE ever took DD abroad alone. One or other of us will have this issue, one way or the other. So going with a photocopy of the birth certificate seems to be the easiest option.

Besides, I have my father's surname, I don't object to my child having her's - I just didn't want to change my name.

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TrophyEyes · 30/03/2012 11:19

DS has his father's name. As of yet, the only time it caused problems was on the way back from Cyprus one year. We've been out there four time, without DS's father. Never had to have anything from DS's father, either. I usually take DS's birth certificate, just in case.

samandi · 30/03/2012 09:52

victorialucas - indeed, I was wondering the same ...

Why not give the kid both names? Or even all have the same double-barrelled name?

I also fail to see why sharing the same name as the kid automatically means you're not kidnapping them.

victorialucas · 28/03/2012 22:21

Why is there an assumption that your DCs will have your DP's name? Give them your name. Problem solved.

kickassangel · 28/03/2012 21:21

They often check as we go through security as we leave.

Like I say, they believe it is your child, but are mainly worried you're taking them with you if there's a nasty custody battle going on.

mousymouseafraidofdogs · 28/03/2012 16:03

just don't take the original, just the copy.

marshmallowpies · 28/03/2012 15:44

Sorry 'customs' is my catch-all term for border control/immigration, etc. didn't mean to imply you need to pay duty on children! Grin

Based on all this feedback I think keeping passport name as is, but taking birth certificate if i do ever take DD abroad on my own, is the right option. Provided I don't lose the birth certificate...touch wood I've never lost an important document on my travels but there's always a first time...

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Ephiny · 28/03/2012 15:09

I doubt it would be an insurmountable problem, probably easier to just take the birth certificate with you than faff about with having different names for different purposes.

Or have you considered giving the baby your surname instead of your DH's? There's no law that children must have their father's name.

mousymouseafraidofdogs · 28/03/2012 15:06

different names here, dc have dh's name.
I have a copy of the birth certificates in the dc's passports, never any trouble.

malinois · 28/03/2012 15:00

I don't think Customs would care - there isn't import taxes or duty to pay on children is there?

If you're talking about Immigration, there are no exit immigration controls in the UK so you certainly won't be bothered on the way out. There are exit controls in most other countries but if you are not travelling on a passport of that country, and neither is the child, why would they care?

DP and I kept our own names after our CP, and DS has a third surname - it's never been a problem.

GirlWithALlamaTattoo · 28/03/2012 14:52

My cousin was stopped on her way into Canada, where an aggressive security person demanded of her 5yo DD "Where is your father?" Once she'd got over being freaked out, she said "at home with my baby brother" and that seemed to be sufficient. Cousin, husband and DD all have the same surname.

AbigailAdams · 28/03/2012 14:45

I took my DS1 to Holland a couple of years ago by myself. I was advised to take his birth certificate, which I did. It was asked for and checked both there and back, so was certainly worth taking. Didn't have a letter though. I don't need one surely. I am entitled to travel with my children.

marshmallowpies · 28/03/2012 12:19

'mine' = mind, obviously.

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kickassangel · 28/03/2012 12:18

Birth certificate won't make any difference. They are worried about the non resident parent kidnapping their own child. So they want to know that both parents have agreed to this, not if the child is yours.

Which is why a letter from the father (in this case) matters more than the passport name. And why a father traveling with kids but no mother is more likely to be stopped

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