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Tulisa - wonderful role model

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Lottapianos · 24/03/2012 17:48

Tulisa is feminism's new hero

I think she's been incredibly brave this week. I can only imagine how mortifying and sickening it must be to think that someone you trusted has put intimate footage of you into the public domain. Full credit to her for refusing to be shamed by this. It's probably too much to hope that he's the one feeling ashamed, but he flipping well should be Angry

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skrumle · 25/03/2012 18:11

"I havent seen anyone call her a slut either"

not read any newsboards, comments on youtube, comments under stories in yahoo news, etc then??? i've seen it at least a dozen times and i don't really use any of those sites that often!

Nyac · 25/03/2012 17:06

I watched her video today about this and she comes across very well although she's obviously hurt by it. If she helps other girls and young women who've been abused like this all to the good.

Hoebag · 25/03/2012 14:42

I havent seen anyone call her a slut either, I just dont think shes achieving anything particularly its not the 1950's anymore, societies changed if you're stil a virgin at 16 you're practically a nun and theres something wrong with you.

I dont think anybody thinks theres anything wrong with being SA so I dont see why she is a role model??

kickassangel · 25/03/2012 13:15

I just think it shows how normalized people think porn is. That video ing each other us part of a relationship and sex has to be all erotic like on the tv.

Sex can be about fun or about caring for each other, but it isn't about creating a picture perfect moment for you iPhone

noddyholder · 25/03/2012 12:41

It has kept her in the papers which in that world is job done.

Lottapianos · 25/03/2012 12:40

Agnes, very good point about Pamela Anderson, I had forgotten about her.

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AgnesCampbellMacPhail · 25/03/2012 12:37

Colin Farrell got a lot of support over that invasion of privacy and it had nowhere near the nasty remarks that Paris Hilton and Pamela Anderson's tapes had.

In terms of obvious misogyny, the different reactions that Pamela Anderdon and Tommy Lee got to their sex tape is noteworthy. She's a slut and he's a rock god. And, that's ignoring the issue of domestic violence in the relationship.

catsareevil · 25/03/2012 11:54

Has anyone accused Tulisa of being a slut? I haven't seen that anywhere.

Nyac · 25/03/2012 11:45

Very good point Lotta.

What good publicity does a young woman get out of being filmed giving oral sex?

Lottapianos · 25/03/2012 11:39

Colin Farrell had a sex tape leaked a few years ago. I think the main public response was along the lines of 'whoa, good for you son!' People still have very different ideas about what is appropriate behaviour for men and women. The old 'he's a stud, she's a slut' thinking is alive and well.

To all of you who think Tulisa may have leaked this herself as a publicity stunt because the timing seems convenient - could it not have been leaked by her ex at this time to cause her maximum humiliation at a time when her profile is higher than ever? To 'put her in her place' at a time when her career is doing well?

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catsareevil · 25/03/2012 11:27

what about the menz?

Do men generally use sex tapes as a publicity device? Im not sure, I can remember some examples where the woman was the more famous person of the two, but not really men?

I really dont think that Tulisa is sending anyone a valauble message here. Sex is nothing to be ashamed of? sure
but another interpretation is - got a single coming out? Then make a sex tape, which ties in with the theme of your song and the content of the video, release it on the internet, usual bit of denial and bluster, you tube video for more publicity, bobs your uncle.

Lottapianos · 25/03/2012 11:05

Oh dear, it's so predictable - what about the menz?, how do you know she's not lying?, must be a publicity stunt, definitely not sexualised violence, to even say so is offensive to real victims............ Hmm

People still just fall over themselves to find reasons to disbelieve a woman who says she has been the victim of something a man has done. As others have said, I too believe her. Of course there are wider issues about the normalisation of filiming sex acts, and Mordecai's story is really chilling in that the young man seemed to have no idea that he had done anything wrong (thank you for sharing Mordecai). But for today, whether it's a set-up or not, I feel that Tulisa has sent a very valuable message to other women - having sex is nothing to be ashamed of. Agreeing to be filmed is possibly naive, but you don't deserve to be punished and humiliated for that. Leaking sex tapes is shameful, cowardly behaviour and is not something that you should just sit back and accept. That's all good stuff as far as I'm concerned.

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Hoebag · 25/03/2012 08:18

I'm struggling with sexualised violence violation of privacy or something along those lines sound more realistic.

I don't like to victim and I'm not doing but I Think generally avoiding having a video taken just because in the worst situation victims have no legal comeback really.

On paris, are you sure she didnt consent I saw the vid years ago she was definatelly 'playing up for the camera' ?

MordecaiAndTheRigbys · 24/03/2012 22:57

Well she obviously knows it is him in the video. What does she have to gain by saying it is him? He isnt famous, she has noting to gain from him. I dont know what other motive she could possibly have?

KarmaK · 24/03/2012 22:51

So it's OK to judge the ex-boyfriend without us having any proof whatsoever that it's him in the video or that he put the video online?!

Right. It's OK to judge the ex boyfriend and call him horrible names but if we dare to question Tulisa's actions we're somehow in the wrong.

All you see in the video is Tulisa sucking a penis. We have no idea whose penis it is. Her ex has denied that it is him. She has produced no proof whatsoever to back up her claims that it is him or that he is the one who put this tape out there. Yet we are prepared to simply take her word for it.

edam · 24/03/2012 22:49

Blimey, we should ignore the fact that she's been a victim of a particularly nasty, cowardly act because she tried to disown the video when it first came out?

The person in the wrong here is the shit-for-brains who published the video. Tulisa seems to be handling it with dignity and grace - the dignity and grace this pathetic apology for a human being tried to strip away from her.

catsareevil · 24/03/2012 22:40

It does raise a serious point about the level of sexual exploitation in the entertainment industry.

There are so many stories about the sorts of things that need to be done if you want to get ahead. I think that that is the issue here, not whether Tulisa is some sort of hero.

MordecaiAndTheRigbys · 24/03/2012 22:40

Because her gut instinct was to lie. Its insticive of all of us, even as children "Did you break this?" "NO!" If we feel we are in trouble, then its our nature to try and get out of it.

I believe her.

KarmaK · 24/03/2012 22:37

True catsareevil. You don't need talent these days, you just need a sex tape.

catsareevil · 24/03/2012 22:34

It might have the opposite effect. People who want to work in the entertainment industry might feel that a sex tape somewhere in the background could be a useful thing to have.

KarmaK · 24/03/2012 22:33

If someone released a sex tape of me, my gut reaction would be to say it wasnt me too..

I understand that. But there is the fact that she was blatantly lying. So why should we believe her now?

Patienceobtainsallthings · 24/03/2012 22:31

All I know is I heard her on the radio and thought "You go girl!!!"
And if she makes one woman think twice about. possible consequences when consenting to sex tapes then that has to be a good thing.

StewieGriffinsMom · 24/03/2012 22:30

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MordecaiAndTheRigbys · 24/03/2012 22:29

If someone released a sex tape of me, my gut reaction would be to say it wasnt me too.. Hmm

KarmaK · 24/03/2012 22:26

"Her lawyers were quick to issue a statement saying that the video was ?100% fake?, adding: ?She is horrified that someone would go to the extreme lengths of fabricating a video. It is absolutely not her"

Yeah, I see that. Hmm

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