Tulisa - wonderful role model

I can assure you I have not watched the tape, why would I.

Out of curiosity, to see whether it was Tulisa or not in the tape. Surely that is the sole reason so many people watched it.

KarmaK - I can assure you I have not watched the tape, why would I.

I could not name 1 song by this singer - she is not my type of singer. I dont even watch the X factor because its the same old rubbish. I must be in a time warp - I prefer the Annie Lennox, Alison Moyet types who, just in my humble opinion, have more talent in their little toes than the 'celebs' out there at the moment. I think that if she had not done the X factor no one would even be taking any notice.

I was watching a programme the other night about a young woman who had been stalked and pictures of her naked and videos of her having sex were posted. It turned out to be her ex boyfriend who did it. Her final statement was to try to persuade young women not to allow themselves to be used like that to make porno videos for their boyfriends. As she said, my parents have seen me have sex and seen me naked (though her father admitted he had not opened the email he was sent out of respect) She seemed to speak more sense than Tulisa. When I was young it was always the female who got the blame when sex was involved and nothing has changed.

I have no interest in Tulisa. But I don't see why you are attacking her quite so vehemently?

I know of him, yes. It isnt exactly a secret in the music industry / media that he had a good ride off the back of Tulisa's success and is now doing fuck all. Do you know him? if not, I would stop defending him.

I'd never even heard of him until Purple Willy-gate.

Therefore I've got nothing to go on. Never read an interview with him or seen him interviewed on TV. No idea how he lives his life. We can't say the same for Tulisa.

I know of him, yes. It isnt exactly a secret in the music industry / media that he had a good ride off the back of Tulisa's success and is now doing fuck all. Do you know him? if not, I would stop defending him.

sounds like you must actually know him then, to know all this

Hah! seriously, read that statement back to yourself Karma

Ultra is a jealous, talentless nobody

sounds like you must actually know him then, to know all this.

Ultra is a jealous, talentless nobody who's own career never took off. Bet he is enjoying the limelight, the twat. I hope Tulisa's lawyers break him.

People do this even when the 'sex' was non consensual, so really I am not surprised at people doing this when it involves consensual sex.

Nobody is saying consensual sex is wrong. It's a bit sad that a few so-called feminists are wetting their knickers at the idea that somebody's saying sex isn't OK. Calm down dears! This isn't about saying sex is wrong. This is about saying there's something a bit fishy about this particular sex tape debacle.

but yes, you've hit the nail on the head with the rest of it - it happened, so being the gutsy, take no crap type that she is, she's made a potentially bad situation work in her favour - IMHO, you can't knock her for that, but I would shy away from her being a "role model"

Yeah I admire her attitude when it came to releasing that second video where she pins ALL the blame onto Ultra. That took balls. It felt like a slight Girl Power moment but I also felt manipulated. But I thought it was a bold and quite smart move. That doesn't mean I have to like her or necessarily even believe a word she says :)

I should add that more than anything I've always felt Tulisa was manipulative. So it's not a stretch, to me, that she might manipulate this whole sex tape crap to suit her and to work for her

Not sure I would use the term manipulative, but yes, you've hit the nail on the head with the rest of it - it happened, so being the gutsy, take no crap type that she is, she's made a potentially bad situation work in her favour - IMHO, you can't knock her for that, but I would shy away from her being a "role model"

KarmaK so you believe women who you like and who according to you are worthy?

Nice.

Some people will tie themselves in knots trying to pin the blame on the woman if there is any sex involved

Yes.

People do this even when the 'sex' was non consensual, so really I am not surprised at people doing this when it involves consensual sex.

I should add that more than anything I've always felt Tulisa was manipulative. So it's not a stretch, to me, that she might manipulate this whole sex tape crap to suit her and to work for her.

And if it is indeed an orchestrated release, then it shows we have a long way to go to get women taken seriously in showbiz. And that's sad.

Very true.

Some people will tie themselves in knots trying to pin the blame on the woman if there is any sex involved

I see your point but to be fair I don't think it is as clear-cut as that. I'm not sure how many of you remember the case of Anita Hill who brought a sexual harassment case against Clarence Thomas? I always believed her story and if I am perfectly honest part of my supporting Anita was due to the fact she's a serious, accomplished woman who I look up to. In all honestly I do find it hard to feel sympathy for or to take seriously somebody like Tulisa, because I view her as a talentless, unintelligent blah. I viewed her in this way long before the sex tape. I've seen her nastily tear into that young singer Misha B. And I've actually never heard an intelligent word come out of her mouth.

If Tulisa wants to be filmed, in a relationship giving a blow job then that's up to her.
What is worse is the comments, people desperate to watch it then calling her a skank etc. Why? For doing something many people do?

And if it is indeed an orchestrated release, then it shows we have a long way to go to get women taken seriously in showbiz. And that's sad.

[To the person who PM'd me asking for a link to the sex tape - sorry but don't have a link.]

Anyhow, the truth will come out in court :)

That's funny I was going to give you a bit of advice too Karma.

Don't watch porn and don't watch other people's sex videos. It'll make you a better person, because you won't have to attack the participants in order to justify what you did.

If you don't have a dictionary Nyac just go to dictionary.com. Everything will fall into place and with luck you'll learn to adjust your attitude.

Would that be about your posts?

The word sanctimonious springs to mind :)

But it's none of your business.