Guardian publishes misleading article about rape

You've reported and explained why.

Don't let that derail the thread.

mscellophane if you report a rape to the police the chance of seeing a conviction is 6%.

It is 58% if your case goes to trial. Most cases do not go to trial.

In the circumstance that you talk about - thinking should I report a rape or not - 6% is the figure that is of most relevance.

I suggested the link because it backs up the article in the Guardian. That is all.

I have namechanged StewieGriffinsMom.

Exactly, Ms Cellophane. That was the whole point of the Guardians article and my post. They are positive findings, and will encourage more women to report.

He also quotes a terribly high "official" false reporting figure which does not tie in with anything I have seen.

The article says (in a long winded and number heavy manner, to dress it up as fact rather than opinion) that the women who do not secure a conviction for rape are lying.

I have been on MN for 5 years and people have always quoted the 6%. I have been suprised it hasn't ever gone up or down

But, I know that I wouldn't report a rape as I believed the 6%, so what is the point. I wonder if others feel the same way, if they do, then isn't the quoting of 6% damaging?

I have been raped twice, 1st time was a stranger, 2nd a boyfriend, I didn't report either as I was so young (under 16) and didn't know who to turn to. If the same attacks happened yesterday with me believing the 6% I wouldn't report. Today, reading that article, my opinion has changed and I would report both as I now feel I have been mislead

What?? It doesn't contravene anything? Certainly doesn't contravene the 'We Believe You' campaign. Isn't MN about debate and discussion? There was a link to the article in the Guardian in Nyac's post, I'm commenting on it.

I'm not disputing MN's findings, not at all. Is this really where we are now?

Are you talking about my post?

www.straightstatistics.org/article/how-panic-over-rape-was-orchestrated

I think this statistic site basically backs up this article, it's not an MRA site either, from what I can tell. If it's true I think it's a discussion worth having IMO.

That doesn't make much sense.

If you report a rape to the police, and assuming that they don't "no crime" it, you will see a 6 in 100 chance of a conviction.

If your case is a super-duper cut and dried number, then the CPS will cherry pick it and send it to court, in which case you have a 58 in 100 chance of a conviction.

It's not complicated. Both figures are true, both figures have their place. The one women are most interested in is, obviously, what chance there is of a conviction if they go to the police. The answer is, 6%. (Again that doesn't take no crimes into account).

I also don't understand her second point. She says that reaction to the case where the woman was jailed was hysterical, especially given that due to changes in guidance it cannot happen again. She then goes on to say that the person she spoke to said police would use wasting police time instead and so there was nothing to stop it happening again. So her ideas seem a bit confused there.

Who is she?