Are all school nurses now encouraging teenage girls to have the contraceptive implant?

Female sexuality needs to be reclaimed as something in it's own right and not through the prism of current porn-type norms...

Good for her and you Dworkin.

Sounds great

I don't remember ever being told in my secondary school years that sex was supposed to be fun and pleasurable. I mean, sure, orgasms were talked about in mizz. But still...

I am really coming around to the idea that talking/thinking of sex in pregnancy / std terms is all about male orgasm and overlooks anything the girl might be feeling somehow. It's all wonky.

Sardine: I calmly told my oldest that I would, as part of her 16th birthday present, not object to her going on the pill. I also advised her not to get an implant as this would decrease her desire and she is entitled as a human being to getting all what life brings. Her going on the pill lasted approximately 1 year and she later admitted that her desire decreased. I don't want that for her, never, and so I suggested that she use condoms and encourage partners to do so. I said if they don't want to then they are not worth the effort and she should tell them so.

My eldest took my advice. She's currently a very happy human being in a loving relationship.

"quality not quantity"
Spot on. THis is what I was always focusing on if we talked about sex with dsds.

Nothing is wrong iwth pleasure and pleasuring oneself if desired. However, the risk of getting STI does rise with the number of sexual partners because we do not know where the partner has been and again, condoms do not give protection against all STI...

I have raised (with DH and his ex) 3 dsd (oldest is 24) and now pg with my dd2 (dd1 died as a baby). So I have some experience. And yes, dsd were bringing their bf to stay with us. I am not against sex. I can only share what I know in this life.

"I would also encourage her to be careful with the number of partners she is having."

Hahahahaha

You're a parent right?
Our DDs are 2 and 4
When the time comes DH will take the view of "over my dead body" and I will take the view of... I don't know yet but it won't be a calm chat about being careful with the number of partners she is having! Maybe it will revolve around quality not quantity... that takes us back to SAF's point

sexual reponses obv

What's wrong with pleasure?

In the context of the post that says that for some/many girls the use of these devices will adversely affect their responses?

SQ I wasn't keen at all on the idea of a catholic school, but I presume in a catholic school this policy will not be as enthusiastically received. That is all. Nothing to do with other forms of contraception.

There are STI that are not protected against with condoms. HPV is one. I would advocate my dd getting the vaccine, but I would also encourage her to be careful with the number of partners she is having. Having had trouble with the pill myself I am totally against any implants in school-age kids.

Ah, and pleasure is not all that people should be taking into consideration.

yes - round of applause to lapseds son's school.

basically these girls are likely to put on weight, have low libido, have skin problems, have heavy irregular periods or constant spotting or no period at all but be told these are 'minor' issues and harmless (yeah really minor bleeding all the time or unpredictably) not to mention that bleeding between cycles and after sex is a warning sign/symptom of stds but these girls will be being told to ignore it, they may experience mood changes, etc etc etc and they won't have a clue what is to do with the implant because a) they're too young to even know themselves that well yet and their bodies were in the midst of changing anyway and b) hcps who they're told to trust will all tell them it is unconnected.

it's too much. especially without a guardian being informed.

Lasped: I'm cutting and pasting your post. Excellent! And what I would advocate as well.

nothing to do with the nhs imo and all to do with benefits and the perceptions of the culture of single mums and their toxic influence on civilised society. fine let the girls shag and catch diseases as children but for gods sake don't let them breed

"Also implants are well known to reduce sexual desire in women. I deplore this measure for it means that those on implants, usually young women, are denied the pleasure they so rightly deserve."

EXCELLENT point.

lapsed that sounds brilliant.

"the bloody obvious answer is to drag the boys in and give them free condoms and scare the hell out of them with pictures of diseases"

This is EXACTLY what they did at DS's school last month during a day-long workshop on sexuality at his all-boys (comp) school for the whole of year 11. They also had it explained to them just how badly porn screws up men's perception and experience of sex, and were given a long talk from a guy from the Terence Higgins Trust about what it's like to like with HIV. DS (15) came home rather thoughtful and wanted to talk further about some of the issues that were raised. (YAY! )

So there are SOME schools out there taking a sensible approach to sex-ed for boys.

But it won't stop std's which brings about a greater bill to the NHS in the long term.

Also implants are well known to reduce sexual desire in women. I deplore this measure for it means that those on implants, usually young women, are denied the pleasure they so rightly deserve.

itsnotunusual that sounds much more like it.

I don't get why it's an argument for a catholic school. Rhythm methoed protects against sod all.

My dd isn't in catholic school. Or private or whatever. Just a bog standard comprehensive with a decent nurse.

IF this is for real, it is a very strong argument for me sending dd to a (state-funded) catholic school.

sadly this doesn't surprise me, as I can't take the combined pill for health reasons, nurses/medics have tried to interest me in long-acting contraceptives (usually depo or mirena IIRC rather than implant) several times, in my 20s and 30s, despite several years successful progestogen-only pill use . So I imagine the pressure must be much worse for young girls who may be perceived as unlikely to be reliable in remembering to take a daily pill/ensure condom use.

One of the good things about the pill is that you decide it is not for you then you can stop taking it. However, the implant or coil you need a medical professional to remove it. Grown women are often "poo, pooed" by HCPs and often told to "give it time" or a down right refusal that any problem has anything to do with a contraceptive. How the hell is a 14yr old going to stand her ground with a patronising doctor?