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Verbal abuse from men in public.

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carernotasaint · 23/02/2012 17:16

Im dreading summer. I hate it. Im currently trying to lose weight but i sometimes get comments like this in the street and it makes me so angry.
Its just another way that some men need to feel superior to women.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2104888/Mother-sheds-stone-time-wedding-strangers-insult-nightclub.html

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Latara · 24/02/2012 09:37

I didn't mean that verbal abuse is caused by men's insecurity. Just that quite a lot of men are insecure.
Nor that being confident stops insults - but just that for me personally i don't get verbal abuse from men anymore & yet i'm fatter than before.

I do think men (& other women) who dish out verbal abuse are bullies, & bullies tend to pick on you if they think you are less likely to hit back. There are people around who will insult anyone though; i've just been lucky to not meet anyone like that lately.

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Latara · 24/02/2012 07:18

@ carer - i really hope u don't get verbal abuse this summer - it may help to know that a lot of men are quite insecre themselves.

Latara · 24/02/2012 07:10

I used to get lots of either critical or sleazy comments from men when i was under 26, very slim & had long blonde hair. From both male strangers & 'friends'. Comments like 'fat bottom', 'cheer up love', & much worse that i won't type here.
Now i'm 35, hair was falling out (but now regrowing & dyed auburn) & obese due to meds & illness (which i mentioned in the 'going grey' thread). I'm slowly losing weight but for me as i really want to feel physically more healthy & fit. I have 3 stone left to lose until i reach a BMI of 24. I mainly wear make up & smart clothes except when i'm not well.
The bizarre thing is that i just never get critical or sleazy comments now. Even when i was 14 stone & had to wear a scarf - i wasn't 'invisible' to men. They would be pleasant or polite, & even flirt with me. Now i do look less ill, & i get the flirty behaviour even more but not in a sleazy way.
I never got strange men insulting my weight.

The MAIN difference is that in 10 years my confidence has increased, probably due to my job - i'm now far more outgoing & friendly, & assertive.
I was very shy & insecure so it seems that men sensed that & bullied me.
Now i'm confident & i wonder if men pick up on that - & are nervous about insulting me because they realise they'll get insulted back.

Verbal Abuse is inexcusable though & i do challenge it quite successfully when i hear it directed @ others.

StewieGriffinsMom · 23/02/2012 20:50

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Trickle · 23/02/2012 20:47

Some men are shits - the only reaason men I've never met before don't randomly grab my bum anymore is because I'm sat on it in a wheelchair! You can't let some sleasy arsehole dictate how you feel, it really says a whole lot more about them than it does about you.

So what if you are overweight, it's your buisness and your body, speaking as someone who has had an ED work on yuor relationship with food rather than the food you are eating and everything else will come from there, good luck x

Spiritedwolf · 23/02/2012 20:35

I think it's disgusting that it seems to be socially acceptable to call someone out as fat on the basis that it's unhealthy and they clearly haven't noticed what size their body is or how unacceptable society finds their body shape.

It doesn't even work (if one's goal is to shame people into losing weight). I was labelled as fat when I was a child and teenager. I was probably a bit larger than average, maybe a stone or two overweight. Being ashamed of my body didn't help me to lose weight, in fact it led to negative emotions which helped me become 12 stone overweight.

I only lost some of that weight when I found an internal source of motivation. I realised that my health was possibly making it difficult for me to concieve, and that part of getting healthy (for me personally) was to lose weight. I got pregnant when I lost about half my target. :) I had known that I wanted to lose weight for ages, but I needed to be in a good frame of mind to set a goal and make progress towards it. Shaming me didn't produce that right mindset.

I find it difficult to talk about this. Because I personally found my weight was an indicator of how healthy and happy I was, I have to be careful not to extrapolate that to all people. Just because someone is large, it doesn't mean that they are unhealthy or unhappy. It certainly isn't my place (or that of some rude bloke in a bar) to tell someone that they ought to be unhappy or feel unhealthy. They know their bodies and are the best judge of that.

Excuses for verbal abuse I have heard, often relate to how unhealthy obesity is and how much fat people cost the NHS. This is rubbish. We don't go around verbally abusing people who smoke or drink even though these activities can be unhealthy. We don't verbally abuse those who do extreme sports and have accidents because they cost the NHS.

It isn't acceptable to abuse people or judge them based on their size. People in the street don't know whether I'm putting on weight, or whether I've made huge progress in losing it. I still look big to them (and now big and pregnant!). Whether I'm big and happy, or eager to lose weight, I should still be treated with respect for who I am at the moment.

I once saw a discussion about why gyms shouldn't provide large towels for larger customers because it would somehow normalise large people and the people should lose weight to fit the towels. Utter rubbish! Maybe they would use the gym more, and lose more weight if they were made to feel comfortable by having towels which they could wrap all the way around themselves.

Shame doesn't even work on the big scale of things. Our society idolises thin bodies in the media, but we are still meant to be in an obesity epidemic. If shame worked, we'd all be fitting into size 10s (or smaller).

For every women who heard a comment like that and used it as motivation to change, there are a whole bunch of others sitting at home reminded of why they don't want to go out in public to be judged by the critical (often male) gaze.

stargirl1701 · 23/02/2012 19:16

How common is this? I have never had it happen to me?

JerichoStarQuilt · 23/02/2012 19:06

Yes, it's definitely that message. Depressing since the woman in the article sounds as if what she was doing was actually healthy (physically, not nec. emotionally Sad), unlike most of the stupid unhealthy crash diets people recommend and it's still blurred into the same boring 'fat woman becomes thin woman ' dialogue.

sonicrainboom · 23/02/2012 18:45

Yes, I'm also getting a "look how helpful verbal abuse from strangers is" message from that article. Like women don't understand that they're overweight and need to be publically shamed?!
Shame on Dm for publishing that piece.

YankNCock · 23/02/2012 18:29

I really really hate the tone of that article, especially the girl saying she ought to thank the man in question! So it's ok now to verbally abuse complete strangers, because it might 'help' them? Hmm

sonicrainboom · 23/02/2012 18:21

Ick, Daily Mail.

It doesn't matter if you are fat or slim, these type of men will shout crap after you in order to feel superior anyway. :( They will just yell something different. Some time ago I had bunch of young lads yell "WHORE" at me when I was walking outside in unsexy winter gear. I wish we were able to walk around in a public place in broad daylight without being verbally abused by our fellow male citizens.

JerichoStarQuilt · 23/02/2012 18:16

Oh, love.

I know what you mean - it is just a really petty way some blokes get their kicks.

'I can get thin but you'll always be a cock' is immature, but quite satisfying IMO. I know it undermines the point that you've perfect right to be happy whatever size or shape you are, but I admit I don't know a better one.