Use of the term "hamburger" by sonographers to describe baby girl "bits"

ChickensHaveNoLips, I think you are being charitable with 'disdain'. I prefer 'violence'.

The only reason it doesn't shock more than it does (although it did at the time it was published - it scared the advertisers away), is because it is a woman being ground up. If it was a person of colour or a clearly identified Jew, it would be considered hate speech by wider society.

It is hate speech. But it is against women therefore not a big deal/art!?/a joke/yadda yadda.

In a porn mag. In a patriarchy. Not buying it.

"The idea of needing to provide reference to an alternative object for me is twee. The choice of object is then "

oh i see. perhaps if you had written 'for me, the idea of... etc' that would have been clear.

How is anyone making it about them? It's about chewing the cud over some feminist analysis of a practice that people are interested in, and pondering the connections, isn't it?

i absolutely think that if you are looking to take offence (and put in a complaint and jeopardise someone's career as the OP's friend apparently did) then no-one can stop you. but it's quite a reach, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE THING LOOKS LIKE A HAMBURGER ON THE SCAN.

Oh it made me think of jade's "kebab" moment

DD1 looked like an upturned beetle on her 12 wk scan

but see here's the thing, beachcomber. i don't actually think that most people think of hamburgers as anything to do with women's genitalia.

Aitch I don't think people do either.

See above post on Hustler for why it might be an issue though.

It isn't fannys = hamburger. It is women = meat + women = fanny = hamburger + sex scan = crass.

Which is probably as clear as mud.

This is going to get to 400odd posts and used in evidence against the FWR board, isn't it?

Shall I start a thread on the trans-woman who got a suspended sentence for fraud and her lawyer used "she can't go to a men's prison because she's had a breast augmentation" as mitigation against a prison sentence as distraction?

as i said when i had a scan at 28wks with dd, the sonographer showed me the three lines and said yes its def a girl, there are her privates they are the bits that 'look a bit like a hamburger on the scan' it didnt occur to me to be offended by it and i have never heard of a vulva/vagina/labia referred to as a hamburger at any other time, but i knew it was a DESCRIPTION that sonographers sometimes used, they are not calling it a hamburger, simply saying that ON THE SCAN it RESEMBLES a hamburger.

actually when we had ds1 we had to have extra scans as he had some kidney problems, they pointed his kidneys out on the scans and i think they said they are the bit that looks like a 'bean' or something to describe them.

Thanks Beachcomber. There is a disdain in that image that is hard to get to grips with. It seems...angry? Gah, I know what I mean. But it's a feeling/vibe that I often get when I see 'Zoo' or 'Nuts' in the supermarket. Odd

but there is SO much about the NHS that is not about you, it's about catering to a mass audience. is that really all this is, just a reaction to some perception of being talked down to? the more i'm reading, the more i think it is, tbh.

The three lines that they're pointing to perhaps.

The idea of needing to provide reference to an alternative object for me is twee. The choice of object is then

ChickensHaveNoLips, the Hustler/woman in meat grinder image probably merits being put into historical context.

When Hustler first came out, it was in direct competition with Playboy and Penthouse. The editors of Hustler 'challenged' both the others to see who could push public boundaries in terms of graphic representations of women. They stated that they didn't care if they alienated the advertisers with the images they dared to publish in the magazine and that they were defending free speech.

The published images were things like the meat grinder one (it is probably the most notorious) and images of women as, DU DU DUUUH, the contents of burgers.

It plays on the idea as women as; pieces of meat/disposable/consumable/butchered/animal status, etc. (and dead which is quite nasty when you think about it)

They did this at the same time as beginning the trend of women being displayed with their legs spread open, general porn nastiness, etc.

Hustler began the upping of the ante which is so common in hardcore porn nowadays by publishing that image.

And BTW, there is NO PROBLEM with asking questions. There is no problem in not knowing these things. Genuine questions are good and welcomed.

and hamburgers aren't twee. that's crazy. if they said 'it looks like a fluttery fairy going to sleep on its side' i could see your point.

WHICH three lines, alice? the whole THING is lines. it's a sonogram.

agree with EVERYTHING aitch has said, some people really like to make something out of NOTHING!

The sonographer told me to look for something that looks like a hamburger. I'm gobsmacked that people would have a problem with that.

Yes it was flashing. But they didn't say 'you see that lighthouse beam', they said 'you see that flashing'. Rather like 'you see those 3 lines' rather than 'you see that hamburger'

The reason why is in Dine's Pornland but I can't bring it to mind. Was a direct response to something that was said.

kidneys are kidney shaped. and the heartbeat is flashing. easy peasy.

what's that got to do with this question, though, which refers to the easily-identifiable and understood shape that the female genitalia makes on a screen when reproduced via sonographic equipment? (not that i was patronised or mal-treated during pregnancy, i treat people well and get the same in return).

Hmm. I suspect it's an 'up yours' from Mr. Flynt about censorship. Quite unpleasant connotations if viewed that way

I went for a scan the other day. Strangely they didn't refer the heartbeat I could see as the 'lighthouse beam' although with the flashing nature it looked quite like it. We survived on general adjectives rather than needing to provide some reference to a random object. Why on earth would this need to be any different? Weird.

I hope when they referred to kidney and heart beach they didn't use those medical terms and instead gave you some twee object to understand?

I don't know what most people think.

I know what I think, and I answered the OP.

I suspect that lots of women are uncomfortable with being patronised and worse during their ante-natal care.