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"Miss goes missing on French official forms" - let's do the same here!

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Alittlefeminist · 22/02/2012 17:09

Hurray for French feminists who have pushed through a revision of women's titles: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/22/mademoiselle-removed-from-french-official-forms :)

Let's do the same!

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bemybebe · 28/02/2012 15:44

Beats me.

Maryz · 28/02/2012 15:39

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rubyrubyruby · 28/02/2012 15:32

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HazleNutt · 28/02/2012 15:07

Could people who don't understand why some other people object to the choice, read what SteamingNit wrote earlier:

For as long as some women insist on being addressed in a way which takes into account the fact that they've got married, the 'choice' of Ms cannot work as it was intended to ('I am a woman, as opposed to a Mr'), because all it can mean is 'I am a woman who won't tell you whether I'm married or not' - so we're STILL defined by marriage, because your choice is
Married Woman
Unmarried Woman
Woman who won't say whether she's married.

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 28/02/2012 14:15

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Maryz · 28/02/2012 14:01

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LapsedPacifist · 28/02/2012 13:43

Some of the arguments on this thread in favour of maintaining the status quo ("it's my choice to do XYZ, it is unfeminist to take away a woman's choice.") are exactly the same as those used by women defending the burkha ("it's unfeminist to take a women's choice away from her...")

It is damaging to all women for them to be defined by whether they are sexually "available" or not. If these prejudices no longer existed then no-one would choose to be addressed as "Mrs". Because it just wouldn't matter. As it doesn't matter for men.

Maryz · 28/02/2012 13:30

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vesuvia · 28/02/2012 13:22

strawberrypenguin wrote - "it was my choice to become Mrs after I married my DH, I didn't do it for him or for any perceived status but because I wanted to and it marks us as a unit."

Your DH's title will not have changed as a result of your marriage. Your DH's title does not mark him as part of a family unit.

It seems to me that Mr is "more equal" than Miss or Mrs.

Maryz · 28/02/2012 13:20

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BlingLoving · 28/02/2012 13:02

Somewhere further down the thread someone said she didn't think anyone else took her more seriously as mrs but it made her feel better. That makes me both sad and angry. The little voice in her head is saying, "I feel better about myself knowing dh is behind me publically" and she doesn't even realise it. That is the problem.

You are all telling me not to take away your "choices" while simultaneously advocating a world in which I don't get a choice to be treated the same as my husband, son, father or brother.

Frontpaw · 28/02/2012 12:57

I love it when the little girl in the apartment downstairs holds the front door open for me and says 'Have a lovely day, Miss!'.

Better than being called Madam in the supermarket, or Missus. I use Ms myself, mainly because I use my maiden name and it gets confusing otherwise.

strawberrypenguin · 28/02/2012 12:52

I can honestly say I am treated no differently now as Mrs than I was as Miss. I liked being a Miss and I like being a Mrs, it was my choice to become Mrs after I married my DH, I didn't do it for him or for any perceived status but because I wanted to and it marks us as a unit.

tentative123 · 28/02/2012 12:44

The right to choose please! I was proud of my Miss and am now proud of my Mrs. My husband and I wear our rings and refer to each other in conversations. Most people we talk to, including salesmen etc, know are married. And we like that.

Maryz · 28/02/2012 12:44

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bemybebe · 28/02/2012 12:42

"But how would calling you Ms be incorrect? You're a woman!"

Original but the logical step (and the one I can perfectly understand) would be to say: we do not want to be defined by our gender, so we prefer to have a form of address that is stripped of the "wo/man" connotation. Why is this not important to you, but having a choice to define or indeed NOT to define ourselves by marital status is?

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/02/2012 12:34

But how would calling you Ms be incorrect? You're a woman!

It is all about men defining titles, else why are we asked whether we're married or not every time we fill in a form? WHY IS IT RELEVANT?

Maryz · 28/02/2012 12:31

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