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Conviction rates have doubled for rape in the last year ....

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Chocladoodle · 19/02/2012 16:08

New legislation has been in place in Scotland for over a year now and the conviction rate for rapes has doubled. This is got to be a great step in the right direction - but why isn't this information more publically known. Do the offenders/future offenders even know that the boundaries on the classifications of sexual assaults and rapes have moved dramtically. And if they did know, wouldn't this in turn perhaps prevent a number of these incidents from happening in the first place ie in regards to defences over consent and the victim being too drunk to grant it. I think it is great that the law has changed but I also think the public should be made more aware of it. Have the laws changed in other countries in Britain also in line with the Scottish Laws.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 21/02/2012 11:22

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Chocladoodle · 21/02/2012 11:15

No I have never heard of this case before and I don't think it is unusual that I haven't. I did google it and from the Wiki pages it states all this happened in South London. I don't live anywhere near there.

From my very quick look thru the Wiki pages it appears that the argument is all about consent. If you read my previous posts that is the very point that I have been making.
I don't know what the crime rates in South London are for rapes so I cannot comment about whether this is in fact a fair representative of how the police in that area deal with rapists. I suspect it is not however.

This is no doubt a case where it went wrong but is it a random example of the way that rapes are investigated or is in fact one that was plucked from the media and broadcasted.

If women are continually led to believe that they will be treated poorly by police/courts etc that myth in itself will contine to prevent them reporting any crimes against them. How is this going to help anyone?

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StewieGriffinsMom · 21/02/2012 09:28

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Chocladoodle · 21/02/2012 09:26

Ditto scurry - and from my experience of investigating sexual offences, the officers are highly trained, professional, assisted by charities/rape crisis etc to offer the best possible support for the victims under the circumstances. My only suggestion is that this service varies greatly from region to region and perhaps some police forces could learn from others. One cap does not fit all.
SGM - I'm not familiar with the cases that you are highlighting - but I'm also not saying that individual cases do not exist where victims of crime are treated poorly, of course it is wrong - I just don't think that these cases where it's went wrong are restricted to victims of sexual crimes. Again it's down to what the media choose to report.

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scurryfunge · 20/02/2012 23:02

It's a realistic view. I am a police officer, a sexual offences trained officer and I also train police officers in sexual offences investigation. I am under no illusion about the inadequacies of rape investigation.

StewieGriffinsMom · 20/02/2012 22:57

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Chocladoodle · 20/02/2012 22:40

IME I don't think this is the case. It may have been 20/30 years ago but not now. I think this is a myth that continues on and can only make victims less likely to report if they are lead to think that the police won't believe them. It is an extremely unhelpful view.

I agree that the media do like to highlight individual cases for sensational purposes that can only damage the numerous other cases that aren't reported in this negative manner. But again, it's across the board of all crimes that the media like to highlight and not just sexual offences.

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scurryfunge · 20/02/2012 21:08

Lack of any sensitivity or professionalism when taking an initial account - doubting and challenging the victim when they first report and lack of understanding about trauma.
Victims complain about not being updated about the progress of investigations.
Victim's history is still brought up in court if deemed relevant.
Only last week in my local paper a judge condemned a child victim as "throwing herself " at the offender. He was still convicted but plenty of victim blaming was going on.

Chocladoodle · 20/02/2012 21:00

In what ways do the police and the courts treat them poorly?

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scurryfunge · 20/02/2012 20:57

I'm not sure it is the lack of knowledge about specific offences that hinders reporting. It is the fear of not being believed, being treated poorly by police, the courts and the press that needs addressing.

Chocladoodle · 20/02/2012 20:55

Basically, in a very broad general way, shouldn't young men, going on a night out on the town be warned NOT to end up back a women's place. That by having sex with a drunk woman whom they don't know could end them up in court with a rape charge against them. Obviously there are decent men out there who wouldn't take advantage of a woman who'd had too much to drink, but there are plenty others who would.

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Chocladoodle · 20/02/2012 20:50

There are situations when the morning after the night before that some people 'discover' that they have had sex with someone that they have no recollection of either through the effects of drinks/drugs. Prior to the change in law it would have been a battle of one person's word against the other's regarding consent. NOW, with the change of law, it simple states that if a person is so drunk that you've got to assume that consent WOULDN't be given. So previously when this happened a victim would be less inclined to report it as having feelings that she/he had played a part in it and was somehow responsible!! But now, the onus is on the offender to not assume consent when he/she is with a partner who is so drunk that they are incapable of giving proper consent. Surely these scenarios are still occuring but because the victims aren't aware of the change in law they are still unlikely to report it.

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TBE · 20/02/2012 20:46

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scurryfunge · 20/02/2012 20:41

The general public do know or should know its wrong to sexually assault someone. Specific changes in the law is about negating defences.

Chocladoodle · 20/02/2012 20:32

I see it differently - I think that changing the law to allow for the reporting/conviction of these crimes easier has got to be seen as a step forward. Isn't that what campaigning for women's rights is about. Progress in the right direction.
My point though was why does the general public not know about this. They do campaigns to raise awareness of the regulations on drink driving, why not have something to do with the new laws on rape.

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STIDW · 20/02/2012 17:58

Surely here in Scotland we had the most abysmal rape conviction rate in Europe so the increase only closes the gap and isn't something to be particularly proud about.

scurryfunge · 19/02/2012 18:06

Ah ok.

Chocladoodle · 19/02/2012 18:00

Scurry - xposts the backward comment was in response to small cats post

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Chocladoodle · 19/02/2012 17:59

Scurry - yes I've since Googled the rape legislation for the rest of the uk - thanks

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scurryfunge · 19/02/2012 17:59

No, just answering your question about whether other countries in Britain are in line with Scotland.

Chocladoodle · 19/02/2012 17:58

So you're stating that Scot's Law, the Scottish Government and all of it's population are backward?

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scurryfunge · 19/02/2012 17:56

Chola doodle , England and Wales overhauled rape legislation on 2003.

smallwhitecat · 19/02/2012 17:51

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Chocladoodle · 19/02/2012 17:39

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smallcat - Backward?? do YOU understand what you're typing

smallwhitecat · 19/02/2012 17:19

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