not sure what to title this but it's to do with ejaculation

Of course it did happen. People just didn't discuss it openly and there was not internet. I've heard some ..erm interesting details from my aunts.

the people who came of age sexually before mass internet porn are still only 40something plus. We can ask them. And a lot of them say, no, it wasn't very common 20 years ago.

'And those of you who don't think this 'came from porn'. What evidence is there behind that opinion?'

What evidence is there it didn't happen pre-porn?

Yes, Charbon and any woman who disagrees with the radical feminists on here is sneered at as unintelligent and ridiculous and in thrall to men and focusing too much on the personal. What's the point? Both sides are equally capable of being horrible to each other and I really think we don't need to be.

Does mainstream porn focus heavily on men ejaculating on women? I don't know that it always does. Sometimes men come on women, sometimes not. I wouldn't say female ejaculation is niche either, there is a lot of it about. You're still not answering why one is considered objectifying and the other not.

The sort of man who thinks it's degrading and wants to do it because he thinks I'm a disgusting whorebag isn't the sort of man I'd sleep with. Why not? Because I have self confidence. Of course I can see that some women don't have that confidence and that they will sleep with men who want to degrade them. I can't change how men think, and I do think that a lot of men are awful about women. We can change how we react to them though, and for me, I think the only way we can react it to them is to help young women to be more confident.

I just don't think it matters if it came from porn or not. At least part of it probably does, a large part of it comes from the fact that we're all more open about sex now and people would have been embarrassed to ask their partners if they were interested til quite recently. And whether it comes from porn doesn't really matter - if people enjoy it, so what?

And those of you who don't think this 'came from porn'. What evidence is there behind that opinion? Have you talked to many women who were sexually active before this became a staple of mainstream porn, porn that became available to the masses under 20 years ago?

Why do you think so many women in their forties and fifties who were sexually active before the nineties, tell a different story about their sexual experiences?

You see I don't get this stuff about posters being puritanical. It seems to be the counter-attack that feminists receive though, when ever they want to discuss sex or porn through a feminist lens. It's just such an absurd conflation and is frankly, unintelligent.

And there really does seem to be some cognitive dissidence going on here with posters trying to claim equivalence with women 'squirting' on men. Do you really think there's an equivalence when there is a complete absence of women on forums jeering about 'plasterers radios' or when mainstream porn concentrates so heavily on men ejaculating on women's faces, but not on women doing this to men? The latter is featured in some porn, but it's a niche market and not something that appeals to the mass market of male consumers. Why do you think that is?

And if it's not about degradation of women, why do so many men on male forums speak in terms that suggest it is? Why do porn producers do the same, in their advertising material?

Just because your partners feel differently and you don't feel degraded, can you at least see the bigger picture here?

Apologies if this has been asked up thread, but is it objectifying when a woman ejaculates on a mans face?

I dont think it is either way round. In that , I do not think any mutually consensual act within a loving and equal relationship is objectifying.

What yellowraincoat says.

The joking and joshing and sneering about sexual acts that take place between two people who enjoy them is juvenile and very, very odd.

You sound like a bunch of puritans, some of you, blimey.

But for some women that's NOT objectifying, Dworkin. Totally respect that for you it would feel like that, but it doesn't for everyone.

I don't think the dildo analogy works. I think that blow jobs are, in part, about accepting your partner's body - so the equivalent is him going down on you. Of course oral sex on a woman is not represented in the same way culturally - and yet most people I know are in relationships where the sex is very equal. I don't know anyone who gives their partner oral but doesn't receive it.

Dworkin erm surely the equivalent is to ejaculate onto your partners face?

Which DH likes more than when he does it to me.

And AnyFucker, there was plenty of talk about female ejaculation up thread so it wasn't like we were exclusively focused on jizz. It was just that no one seemed up for answering if it was ok for women to ejaculate on men. We just got a lot of balls about how it's not that common and how it's men making women ejaculate anyway which is total BS.

I think the equivalent would be to push a dildo into your lover's mouth and then squirt him with his earlier ejaculate. Also you could shove the dildo into his ass and then get him to suck on it.

Personally I couldn't do that to a person I loved as I would just be objectifying them. I would get no pleasure from it and I would presume he would get no pleasure from it either. But if he did find it pleasurable then I would leave - I'm not into BDSM.

But then sex is messy stuff. I don't know the answer from a RadFem point of view.

So I see we've gone full circle and back to making sneery comments about people enjoying it?

How the hell would I get chlamydia in my eye? My partner doesn't HAVE chlamydia.

I can't take any sort of hormonal contraception, so we use condoms. Honestly, I miss him coming inside me and him coming ON me makes me feel close to him. We're in a long term relationship and he doesn't disrespect me in other ways, so why would he ejaculate on my face if he found it a disrespectful thing to do? In fact, I feel more respected by him than my ex who found sex dirty. If I told my partner I didn't want him to come on me, he'd respect that completely and we wouldn't do it any more.

Part of it might be a submissive thing. Part of it for him (I asked him during this thread) is a feeling of acceptance - I'm not disgusted by him. Maybe for some men it is linked to degradation - but you could say that for a lot of sex acts, from doing it doggy style to the man always going on top.

Maybe there's no specific physical pleasure for women in it, but there's none for men either.

Have not read the whole thread as it is a bit long, but I enjoy it, I think it is submissive but I enjoy that within the relationship I have which is very safe and secure, and yes I think porn has made it more popular but I dont think it "came from" porn IYSWIM

Nah, was just me being an eejit. And an insult to my university...

Good point...

oooh, TBE, can you correct my grammar error on the badge, please?

oo, I love badges, TBE

"Cash in your jizz"...it's got a catchy ring to it

now, now Froths, what's a mere std compared to your maaaan demonstrating his dominance of you ?

jizz in the eye...it's worth it's weight in gold, isn't it ?

Can you put a little Dragon on the background? I want everyone to know it's my doing.

The fuck am I getting chlamydia in the eye... doesn't care how much I love the guy...

frothy, don't forget your jizz-helmet