not sure what to title this but it's to do with ejaculation

Personally I'm not comfortable with that risk and I don't just go googling things willy nilly. However, it is possible to buy porn directly from the people who make it. There's a lot that's out there which IS degrading & toxic & horrible & will rot you from the inside, but then again McDonalds hasn't been banned either.

It's possible to employ common sense & look into the ethics of what you're buying just as much with porn as it is with farm traceable burgers. It's a product.

Good point sonic.

Incidentally, there are few jobs you can take, in first world countries, where you run the risk of contracting STDs in your eyes and throat. People who talk about wanting to make porn less exploitative or more regulated, or who want to say 'oh, but it's all consensual' - do they have an answer to that, other than 'hmm, maybe we'd have to stop making porn films where women put penises that have been in their arses in their mouths, and stop showing men ejaculating on women's faces'?

Anything in porn can be defended with but it's consensual! She likes it! She agreed to it! As always the responsible men are hiding their actions behind the woman. The men are the ones who run the companies, make the movies, do the things to the women. They are the ones who choose to do a lot of shit to (in most cases very vulnerable) women in order to turn other men on. Always remember this.

Re: Consensual
A woman in a porn movie might consent to having various things done to her so she can earn money. A girl might consent having various things done to her so her boyfriend will like her. Or because she thinks it's expected of her. Or because she doesn't know she can say no, or dare say no. Doesn't mean she desires it, or it's not abusive. Just a thought.

Well, pretty big 'if', isn't it?

The 'big deal', however, is that, oddly enough, if your job involves putting penises in your mouth that have been in your arse, you will get very sick, very fast.

I thought you were referring to rimming, which is not everyone's cup of tea, but some people quite enjoy. Wasn't familiar with the other practice, but doesn't surprise me that some people of either sex get off on it. As long as it's consensual, what's the big deal?

Btw that is a million miles from oral sex the way I do it, thank goodness.

Me too sonic.

widow - you're not seriously asking us to explain why putting a penis that has been up your arse in your mouth without washing it is bad?

What's up with the ass to mouth thing? Is oral sex now a bad thing too?

I cannot understand it either. It make me feel really really sick, thinking about how many poor young girls and women are exploited like this. Some porn also market itself on this: "lol look at these cheap hoes getting exploited and tricked" is apparently a turn on for some men.

I've seen a so much vile shit when I looked on mainstream porn video sites...a lot of it doesn't even pretend it's about sex anymore. It's just abuse movies.

Yes, or indeed a young person who doesn't realize the implications of putting his or her sex life on the web. There are loads of nasty stories about teenagers making sex tapes then being incredibly upset and embarrassed by them later on.

Saying it 'maybe' that a woman finds films of herself sexy and then slating other people for 'dubious arguments' is a bit rich TBH. Even if you did believe some of these amateur videos were exactly what you think they 'may be', what's an acceptable risk? Is it ok if 50% are genuine, so you've a 1 in 2 chance of watching an exploited woman? Or is it better if it's 10%, so you've only a 1 in 10 chance? Personally I don't see why anyone would want to justify it if there's even a tiny chance you'd be getting off on someone being exploited or abused.

Amateur merely means that it's not an "professional" porn movie with a budget.

It could just as well be filmed abuse or a couple's leaked (against the woman's will) sex movie.

Who are you quoting, nifty? The 'all porn is' bit.

FWIW, speaking of 'accuracy', is it true that amateur porn is really amateur? I had thought that was just a name to make people think they were watching people who were doing it for fun, rather than being paid or forced.

There's an awful lot wrong with porn generally, but I think porn reflects misogynistic attitudes just as much as creating them. You can probably find porn that reflects every taste out there and I very much disagree with anti porn campaigners who use blanket generalisations & often use dubious anecdotal evidence or just their personal opinion to back up their arguments. I've seen a lot of amateur woman porn where the woman maybe gets a kick out of being watched so videos herself masturbating - she's in control, she hasn't been forced, maybe she finds the idea of people downloading it incredibly hot. It's just simply not accurate to say "all porn is..."

It's ok to say that if something occurs in mainstream and easily available places often, it may influence people into thinking that it's "normal" or accepted. Yes, the facial thung seems to crop up again & again for whatever reason. However, I think banning porn all together as Dines would want isn't going to encourage women to say "Hmm, you know what, I'd rather you didn't do that but I have an idea you might want to try...."

Driving things to become more taboo would, I suspect, make people more ashamed of talking openly about their boundaries than less. It's actually kind of enlightening to me to discuss what a partner watches, because I have no problem asking what they get out of it & if they seem to find degrading women hot - it's not going to last! Red flag!!

It is from porn.

It is called 'the money shot'.

(Google with caution)

It is about male porn viewers getting see that the man not only comes, but that his orgasm is degrading and humiliating for the woman (she isn't worthy of his precious seed and he marks her like a dog against a lamppost).

It also separates porn sex from associations with pregnancy (in the viewers mind) and degrades the woman further by showing that no barrier protection has been used to safeguard her health.

I would run a mile from any bloke that wanted to do it personally but then I am from a generation that hasn't been exposed to porn in the way subsequent generations have.

It is a damned shame for both men and women if they are being told that this is 'hot'. No doubt ass to mouth will be considered 'hot' in a few years time too.

If it's part of people's relationship, then it's their business, and one might roll one's eyes at the thought, but as long as they don't frighten the horses, etc.

However, it was mentioned as part of sex between people who don't know each other (or is it a sado-masochistic group?) and then yes, it seems to me really porn-based, and if lots of men want it and lots of women tolerate it, it's more proof that the world is in a sad state.

And in the way of odd activities for Valentine's Day:
latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/valentines-day-role-play-portland.html

I'd never rule out that some people like to see ejaculation happening, whether or not they watch porn.

But what gets me about ejaculating on a woman's face is that it's something that (I am pretty sure) wasn't a big thing before it got portrayed in porn (where you need some kind of visible ejaculation to signal to the viewer that it's the end of the show). I imagine you could perhaps come on someone's face in a sensitive and loving way, but I've never heard of it or seen it and I have heard of and seen quite a lot of pretty nasty versions of it. So I get suspicious.

If you'll forgive a trivial comparison, it's like I can believe some men and women just naturally adore bright pink lace knickers, because pink is their favourite colour. I don't believe so many people love bright pink knickers that they'd choose to buy them every valentine's day if they weren't heavily marketed as sexy/romantic. Same thing with this, except the marketing is in the porn industry.

Yes, I should have said, I was thinking of Gail Dines.

I would have thought it was just the visual of say giving a blow job then showing him coming for the sake of porn.

Ejaculating in your face is very different from on your body.

I agree Jericho. Gail Dines covers this quite well in Pornland.

There's all sorts of things in porn that I refuse to believe are turn-ons for most men. 'Barely legal' for a start. I think porn is warping what men think is sexy, not reflecting it.